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Hello, hello. How's it going? Good, how are you? I'm good.

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Welcome to the pod.

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Yeah, welcome everyone to the pod. I'm Ashley.

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And I'm Christy.

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And we switch spots if you're watching on YouTube.

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Seeing a whole different side of it.

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Just changing up. Yeah. Um, also, I'm gonna address the elephant in the room.

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Okay.

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The bangs.

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Oh yeah. Ash got bangs.

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I got bangs. Um very intentionally, but a lot of my friends, I think including you, asked me, are they crisis bangs?

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Well, that's what I said. I said sometimes people cut bangs when they're in crisis, and you're like, I say that every day I'm in crisis.

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Everybody's in. If you're not in crisis right now, I don't know where you are. Are you living on the moon?

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I don't know. Just living here in the city.

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So yeah, um, I changed my hair. I stopped the curly girl thing because it was time consuming.

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I like the curly girl.

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And then instead I just chopped my hair. Chopped it.

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Okay, yeah, okay. How but sh I would feel like straight hair is more time consuming, not? I don't straighten my hair.

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I have this amazing blow dryer. Oh. That's like the round brush blow dryer. So I just I do that now. Okay. Yeah. There you go. And I it's actually easier because I can style it like right after the shower. And then I never have to like I can go three days. Oh wow. Without having to like really I mean, really touch anything up.

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What if you like sweat? Like with a ponytail, like at the gym.

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I don't know. Dry shampoo was invented for that.

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But like you don't get a crease?

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Well, I have though I mean you can do like the blow dryer again and kind of get that crease out, but for the most part, I have those like spirally I have those too, but I still get like Oh really?

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I still get curly cues.

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Um maybe I just the the back of my head is none of my business. Whatever's going on back there is none of my business.

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I don't ever even look back there.

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Whatever. Who cares?

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That is none of your business.

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That is none of my business. If you have a problem with it, do it. Do you do it yourself? Anyways, yeah, I changed my hair.

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Um a lot. So that's really funny that you said that. Like the back of my hair is none of my business because I just barely saw uh like a TikTok of um shoot Jesse from Jay-Z Hair, like Mormon Housewives. Huh? Yay?

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No, I don't know.

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You're looking at me like these are the first time you've ever heard these words.

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Um yeah.

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Do you know like the secret lives of Mormon Housewives?

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Yes, I know of it.

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And there is one of the one of the women is Jessie, and she owns Jay-Z hair extensions.

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Oh yeah, and everybody jokes it's Jizz hair extensions.

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And anyways, she just she just posted this video. It's so funny, and it's just like shows her getting her hair like all done, and it looks so good, and then she walks out, and the back is just a disaster.

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That's me. Yeah, I like that hair. It's none of my business.

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That's how she feels too. Shout out to Jesse.

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I don't care.

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She's one of the better ones.

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Okay.

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Okay. Um back to reality. Yeah, back to reality. So now that you've plowed through Dexter, are you watching anything new?

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Uh yes. We well, we're just like watching like the shows that we always watch. So Shrinking, The Pit.

SPEAKER_01 3:30

Oh, shrinking. I haven't watched The Pit, but I've heard really good things. Pretty graphic though, right?

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Yeah, and I'm trying really hard to get over my like uh squeamishness. And so I really try hard to like pry my eyes open, but sometimes I'm just like, how can they show that on TV? Yeah.

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Well, I mean, it's not it's like broadcast, it's streaming, I mean, right? Yeah. Like it's not like on actual TV. Yeah. Yeah. Well, alright. Do you like uh docuseries shows or like reality shows more? Or like do you favor both or none?

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I will I more like docuseries.

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Ooh, okay.

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But I do I do like a couple reality shows, but not many.

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Okay. Um, so there used to be a show on in the early days of college for me, and it was called Fact or Faked Paranormal Files. Did you ever did you ever see this? Oh my gosh, it was so cool. So um it was this retired FBI agent, and he and a team of people would cover like paranormal stories, but they would like get write-ins from people of like mysterious like pictures or anything like that, like ghosts, aliens, the whole thing. Um, and they would they would like hear about it and then they would try to do tests to like recreate the phenomenons and like see if it was like really something that could be faked. And so they would like try to fake that picture or whatever, or that was the goal. That was the goal to either fake it and like prove that this isn't a real thing that's happening, or um if they couldn't recreate it like in like their like where they were at, they would actually go out and do like a field test of wherever that story was written in from or whatever. So it only had two seasons, but I wish they would bring it back because it was so good.

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I loved it. Have you written them to ask to bring it back? No, okay. So maybe I don't know. Maybe you could.

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It was in like gosh, I don't know, early 2000s. Okay, like no, mid. I don't, I don't know.

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Anyways, I think early 2000s I was watching the OC.

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Oh C.

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Mm-hmm.

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OC. I don't know what that is. I don't think I've ever watched OC.

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Adam Brody, Misha Barton. I know who's teenagers growing up in the in Orange County. So it wasn't oh, is it it was called OC. Yeah, it was like uh a doc uh drama.

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But was it reality? Oh, okay.

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But then there was also they also had like Laguna Beach was kind of the same.

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So I never watched Laguna Beach, but my group of girlfriends bullied me into it like a few years ago to like watch all of them because I never watched them, and they're they're so wild.

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Yeah, different life.

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It's just different life wild. Um, so another reality show that's pretty fascinating is ghost hunters.

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I haven't watched that either.

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So I've seen a few episodes here and there. It's kind of fun.

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I don't know if I like ghosts.

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You don't know if you like ghosts? Oh, this is gonna be our doozy for you.

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Oh, lock in.

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So then I'm gonna ask you then, do you believe in ghosts? Um, and I'm gonna ask you now, and then I'm gonna ask you.

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So in what sense?

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Just in a I mean, oh, where'd our lamp go? Just in a just in a general sense?

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That was freaky.

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That was freaky.

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But I can explain what just happened.

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Okay, sure, Dan.

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Okay, so if you're not watching on YouTube, so here we are talking about ghosts and our little lamp on the table just went off.

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For the first time ever.

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Without me touching anything.

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Yeah.

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But I'm pretty sure. So this again, if you're not watching on YouTube, um, let me set the scene. But we have this cute like nightstand that I borrow from my son every podcast.

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Shout out to Christy's son, he's the bomb.com.

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He's cute. Um, but so I still have his nightstand and his lamp. But I think his lamp is connected to his lights in his room. So when he goes out of his room when he when he pushes his off button for the room, the light switch, it turns off everything.

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You're right. This makes total like way more sense.

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So if you know my husband, everything in our house is smart, and that just makes sense that it would it just makes sense that from another room somebody turning off a light switch would turn off this lamp. Yes. Or it was a ghost. I don't even know. But that was that was really funny.

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Really well timed.

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Yeah, well-timed. Well played. Well played ghosty. Well played ghosty. Going back to do I believe in ghosts? I don't know. I don't think there are people that we can't see like watching us. But I do think like they're like ghost energies, maybe.

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Okay. I like that.

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Yeah, is that okay? Yeah, sure. What would that be?

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Um, I don't know, but let's let's talk about it. So um today we're gonna be talking about like ghost hunting and like the earliest forms of spiritualism and ghosts and ghost hunting and how that all started. Okay.

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I am locked in.

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Yeah. We're also gonna talk about some of the most haunted places in the United States and so it wasn't the ghost tour that I went on.

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I'll tell you that much.

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Well, that's really the funny thing is that we're kind of like hearkening back to our beginnings, right? Of where this all started is you and ghost hunting and um the Gen Z stare. So please don't Gen Z stare at me this entire time, Kay.

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Okay.

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I don't Gen Z stare. I'm over here like a puppy being like, Why?

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You're so right. You're so right. Okay, so speaking of which, I asked Chat Bestie if humans have always believed in ghosts or if it was more of like a new thing that like a more like oh always new agey thing.

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Right?

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You're right.

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Because we also used to believe in witches. Yeah. And so and we kind of still do. I believe in witches.

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Yeah.

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But we haven't.

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Not really.

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We just look at the witch differently. We look at the witch differently.

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I have some news for you, friend. You were a kitchen witch. Did you know that? Oh, okay. Because you like to cook, you like to create things and put things together, you're what's called a kitchen witch.

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Oh, I also saw a post talking about all sorts of different witches, and I was a white witch because I'm born in August.

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Oh, fascinating.

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I think you might have been a red witch.

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Yeah, that checks out.

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So yeah.

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Anyways.

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Okay, so um, I did ask Chad Bestie, and Bestie said short answer, yes. Almost every culture ever recorded has some version of ghosts. So um anthropologists think that ghost beliefs appear as soon as humans started asking two questions. Number one, what happens after we die? Duh. And number two, why do we still feel someone's presence after they're gone? Um, and this is due to our trusty little friend evolution, our roots, if you will.

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Going back to our roots.

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Um, our brains are extremely. What is that?

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It's a song.

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What is it? What is we don't have enough of you singing on this podcast anymore.

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That was honestly, like, I've just I've had so many people message me and be like, your singing is just so good. Like, bring it back. Uh I'm going back to my roots. Oh, that's Imagine Dragons. Another day. Another do. I don't know. Another hi. I've heard it. Uh-oh. Rock bottom.

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Yep. I'm going back to my roots. Sure, J. I don't remember that song. I love Imagine Dragons. Well, you can listen to it on the way home too. Okay, sounds good. Uh, have Kenny burn me a mixtape real quick.

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Okay, mixtape, yes.

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Plug it into your nothing because I don't player. Yeah. Okay, so um, back to our roots, if you will. Our brains are extremely good at detecting agents. So, like, evolutionarily speaking, it was safer to assume something was there rather than miss a threat. So, for example, mistaking a wrestling bush for a predator is safer than assuming it's just the wind. Like, we are programmed to actually be anxious, which is wild. If you think about it in that context.

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That reminds me, today I went for a run with some friends, and we were on this path, and I was just like happily running along, and then there was rustling in the bushes, and I like jumped four feet over, and they're like, You okay over there? They're like, Did you see a snake? And I was like, I heard a rustle.

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Oh.

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That's always freaky. I hate that.

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Maybe it was a ghost.

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It was a little bird.

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But the same brain that kept our ancestors safe from predators may also make us think something is watching me, and as most things do, it escalated into beliefs of things unseen. Okay. So let's do a quick history of ghost beliefs. So um in ancient Mesopotamia.

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Mesopotamia.

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In ancient Mesopotamia, some of the earliest written ghost stories have been found. Um, people believed that restless spirits haunted the living if they weren't buried properly, and rituals and priests were used to banish ghosts. So, like horror movies are actually just historical documentaries if you think about it.

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Every movie is a historical document.

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Haven't you ever seen um Titanic?

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Yeah, I have actually, thank you.

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I'll never let go, Jack. Okay, so that was in about 2000 BC. Um, and then cut to ancient Egypt. Um, Egyptians believed parts of the soul could return after death, and letters were sometimes written to deceased relatives asking them to stop haunting the living, which is so hilarious. Because it's like, hey, Aunt Carol, can you not? Hey, stop. And also the font would be papyrus. Papyrus in bold.

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I am sidetracky.

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You are so tangity today, and I love it.

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Um, papyrus in bold is one of my favorite SNL skits.

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Love it.

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But the new movie trailer, what is it called? Project Hellmary that's coming out soon.

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Oh, yeah. So I want to read that book.

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My whole family is reading it. Oh, okay. Well, not me.

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Uh thanks for the sick invite.

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Even my 11-year-old is reading it. Sick invite. Do you want to read it? I just said it. Sorry. Go ahead. Nobody's stopping you. My gosh. Um no. So papyrus and the papyrus in bold SNL skits are Ryan Gosling, and you can just like you can Google it. Because Google's Google's free. Um, I have a story about that. But we're never gonna make it through this.

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We're never gonna make it through this.

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Anyways, but now there's this new movie, Project Hell Mary, with Ryan Gosling, and it's the trailer. I watched it and I was like, this is an SNL skit, and it's so funny. Anyways, it's not. Um, no, but he's like, you know, trying to exclaim something and then nobody's listening, you know, in the papyrus. He's like, why does nobody care that it's just papyrus? And everybody around is just like, what are you talking about? And it's the same thing with Project Hellmary. Yeah. I actually don't totally know the story behind Project Hellmary, but I'll watch it.

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Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Anyways. That was a fun side tangent.

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I hope you put your finger on your notes so you know where you left off.

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It sure did. So now we're going to cut cut. Now we're gonna go to ancient Greece and Rome. Okay. So um ghosts were common in literature and folklore, and early haunted house stories start to appear in writings from figures like Pliny the Younger. I don't know who that is, but side note. Yeah, he was very interested in ghosts. What? What do you want?

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Pliny the Younger is actually a really cool beer out of California. They have Pliny the Elder and Pliny the Younger. And one time my husband and I went on a trip for the release of Pliny the Younger.

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We're officially calling this episode Christy Sabotage's Ashley once again.

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Yes. Sorry.

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You find that so funny.

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I'm gonna I'm gonna zip it. I'm gonna zip it and lock it. You can't zip it and lock it.

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Um, I need some interaction.

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Just stop saying buzzwords to me then.

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Sorry.

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I didn't know Pliny the Younger was gonna trick. Set me off.

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My husband's gonna appreciate this part.

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He probably will. Yeah. Okay. Spirits were believed to linger due to unfinished business or violent deaths. So now let's go to medieval Europe. Ghosts became tied to religion, and medieval Europe sounds awful, by the way. Sounds horrific. Um, many believed that spirits were souls stuck in purgatory asking the living for prayers, and apparitions were often seen as warnings of or moral messages because of course the all-powerful god is a cryptic bitch. You know, it's kind of like communicate through random messages instead of like a text on your phone. I know. Send me a letter. Like carrier pigeon at least, you know? Come on. Okay, so now um uh the Enlightenment era through the Victorian era. So fascination with spirits grow alongside new science and technology, um, and the spiritualism move movement begins, which we'll get into a little bit more. But this is when the birth of seances, mediums, and communicating with the dead become extremely popular, which is probably why we're all so fascinated with the Victorian era, because it has that like gothic-y, like Well, Gothic is hot.

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Yeah, like it's like pretty, it's like Yeah, yeah.

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It's like and the houses were really like cool and spooky. Um, okay, and then from there up to the 1900s, um, when we were born.

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Correct. Yeah, the early 1900s.

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Um, first attempts to study ghosts scientifically started happening, and groups like the Society for Psycho Psychical Research investigate hauntings and paranormal claims. This era essentially creates modern ghost hunting, which is pretty fascinating. Um, and then the late 900s to today, ghost hunting becomes an entertainment and hobby culture. TV shows, gadgets, and paranormal groups emerge, and technology like EMF meters, spirit boxes, and infrared cameras become popular tools. So humans have believed in ghosts for at least 4,000 years, but the idea of going out and hunting them, that's actually a pretty modern invention. Um, so the history of ghost hunting itself, um, ghosts have always had our interests, possibly due in part to the fear of death and a desire to know where we go afterwards.

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Yeah, just tell us.

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Yeah, just I want to know.

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Nail you down and tell tell me.

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But listen, like, if Aunt Carol is gonna be haunting us from the dead, maybe she could at least like tell us that really yummy casserole recipe while she's at it. Like, come on.

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Do you have an Aunt Carol? Like, what is Carol no?

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She's writing to us from with Papyrus. So that's where we side tangents before.

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You mentioned Carol and recipes. Isn't that one of those funny videos of that guy that sings like Facebook dramas? Oh and he talks about like the broccoli recipe, but it's like Carol's or something. Yes. That guy's funny. I haven't seen him in a long time. I wonder if he stopped.

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Yeah, that's that's I didn't even think about that. That's funny. Maybe that's where it came from.

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Yeah, so he used to sing like what Facebook dramas?

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Yeah, like old people arguing in Facebook comments, he would like sing them back and forth.

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Now there's a guy that does Tinder. Tinder, yes. Oh, those are so unhinged.

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And I love that he like he puts on a dress and a wig and everything.

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Yeah. It's so good. People are men are unhinged.

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That's why it's called hinge. I don't think shopping silent parts. No, there should be like a hinge for normal functioning people and then an unhinged if you just want like they don't want the the unhinged breeding though, because then we get like super unhinged.

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Or is unhinged plus unhinged mean equal hinge.

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I don't think two no's counts out, cancel each other out.

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Yeah, they do. Two negatives makes a positive, yeah.

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Yeah, you're right. Yeah, thank you.

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Two brains won't bot.

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So maybe ghost hunting birthed out of the desire to finally get long-lost recipes from dead relatives. And maybe not. But some of the fascinating beginnings to ghost hunting start with some witchy bitches that were bored and wanted to freak out their mom.

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Oh.

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Katu the Fox sisters in 1848.

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Are they that the sisters from what are those books called? Oh, like help me.

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I don't know.

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I don't Practical Magic? Are those the Fox sisters?

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I don't think so.

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Oh. Are they the sisters from How about I tell you? Yep, go. Dill.

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In Hydesville.

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Do you want to unplug my mic?

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Yes.

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You'll plug it in when you want me to talk.

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Um, so in Hydesville, New York, three sisters, Leah, Margaret, and Catherine Fox, claimed they could communicate with a spirit in their house through mysterious knocking sounds. The spirit they claimed they could speak to was a murdered peddler named Mr. Splitfoot.

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You're making this up. No. Okay. That's what they said. Mr. Splitfoot.

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They created a system where one knock would equal yes and two knocks would equal no. So they would have seances and then they would ask questions and they would hear knocking. And the public soon became like absolutely obsessed with this. They thought it was so cool. Um, and Leah, being the typical eldest sister, acted as a talent manager and took the other girls around the country to charge for like public seances because yeah, you know.

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We're good at it. Let's go do it, let's go monetize.

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So soon people across America were hosting seances trying to talk to the dead, and this event basically launched the spiritualism movement and made communicating with ghosts a mainstream hobby. Um, but years later, one of the sisters, Maggie, admitted they were making sounds by cracking their toes. But like, wow freaking tough are your feet that it sounds like knocking sounds that you're cracking your toes.

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They had an underlying girl, are you good? They had an underlying arthritis problem.

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Maybe that's why the peddler was dead.

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And is that what oh and what what did they call the guy? Switchfoot?

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Split foot.

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Split foot. One of them had a split foot. One of them had a hoof for a foot. Prove me wrong. Prove me wrong.

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Oh man. Um, but by the time the confession like had happened, the public had already like the movement had already exploded. Like the public was like, Yeah, whatever, we don't we don't care about you guys. Like we're already doing our own seances over here. So like people had already took the idea and ran with it, and they they didn't care that like these people were like, No, actually, this is what we We were doing so. Um, so that was like the rise of seances and mediums, and that happened in like the mid-late 1800s. So after the Fox Sisters, mediums became extremely popular, and spiritualism essentially blew up. People believed certain individuals could talk to spirits, channel the dead, and receive ghost messages. There were even a few famous people that were really heavily into this. Such as this is so wild. I didn't even know this. So this one blew my mind. Mary Todd Lincoln.

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Okay.

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She hosted at least eight seances in the red room of the White House, hoping to hear from her sons who had passed away, and then eventually from Abe Lincoln himself after he was assassinated.

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Okay. Isn't that wild? That's wild, but kind of cool. She's just she's just a mom.

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She's just a mom wanting to hear from her baby. Yeah. Her 11-year-old died from typhoid, and so that's what started it. And then after Abe was assassinated, she was like, well, I've I've already done this a couple times.

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Nobody told me to stop.

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Yeah, exactly. The next person is Arthur Conan Doyle. He is the writer of Sherlock Holmes.

SPEAKER_03 23:27

Oh. And he actually became That's how he got all the ideas for Sherlock?

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I don't know. Okay.

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But he became a strong believer in spiritualism after losing his son in World War One.

SPEAKER_03 23:37

Oh, okay. So that'll do it.

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Yep. And then Queen Victoria, following the death of Prince Albert, um, she reportedly sought him through a young medium named Robert James Lees at Buckingham Palace. Um, and so those are the three that I found, but there was a lot more. Those were the three that were most interesting to me because we've got a former first lady, a rider, and a queen. Like, how can you really go wrong there?

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Did you look up anybody like current day that's super into it? It's probably a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 24:07

No, um, one of the ones uh that it gave was uh what is Ackroyd? Dan Aykroyd? Is that how you say it? He was one of the guys who was like a writer for the Ghostbusters, actually.

SPEAKER_03 24:18

Oh yeah, well he was a Ghostbuster. And he was a Ghostbuster, but he And he was like, Here's this comedy I'm doing, but it's actually research.

SPEAKER_01 24:26

Yeah, and him, like his whole family, like they are way into it. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:30

Yes, I love those connections.

SPEAKER_01 24:32

Yeah, go on. So, um, but one of the likely reasons for why everybody was buying into it so quickly in this time of the world was because of the profound loss of life during the Civil War, World War I, and even the 1918 influenza pandemic. Um, people found comfort in the idea that their loved ones were still here, and it helped them feel a sense of closure when so many people did not have the remains of their loved ones to bury.

SPEAKER_03 24:56

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:57

Yeah. Um, so when you think about it in that kind of context, it makes you a little bit sad because it seems almost like people are taking advantage of your grief.

SPEAKER_03 25:05

Capitalizing on that.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

But a lot of what I've read is it is a lot of people felt comfort from it. Like Arthur Conan Doyle was one of the biggest advocates, but he had a really good friend, Harry Houdini, who was like he thought it was a bunch of con people, so they were really good friends.

SPEAKER_03 25:23

Oh, interesting. Houdini thought it was con coming from the con himself.

SPEAKER_01 25:27

Yeah, exactly. But that that's why he thought it was a con. It's like I he's like, I can recreate some of these things that that is happening. Um, but yeah, it's really fascinating. Yeah. So um, but it wasn't just the massive loss of light that convinced people. The surge of technology, such as the telegraph, helped reinforce the idea that unseen communication could occur. So essentially the thinking was if people could send messages across the ocean via wire, why couldn't they send them across the veil through a person? Which is, I mean, I can see the the logic there.

SPEAKER_03 25:57

I think I think today mediums, I think some people like maybe not everybody that claims to have it, but I think there are people that really do.

SPEAKER_01 26:03

Yeah, I I agree. I think there are people that can just sort of tap into something.

SPEAKER_03 26:09

Um which just leads to like a a bigger question of like, are they just in the in that a different metaverse?

SPEAKER_01 26:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:17

I don't know. Is that the proper turn metaverse?

SPEAKER_01 26:19

Time isn't real.

SPEAKER_03 26:20

Oh, it's not.

SPEAKER_01 26:21

It's not. So maybe they're just tapping into a different time.

SPEAKER_03 26:25

Something that makes sense to me is like reincarnation. Like our energy has to go somewhere, and so you end up somewhere else, and you know, whether that be in like another body.

SPEAKER_01 26:34

Are you asking me if I believe in past lives? Because I 100% believe in past lives.

SPEAKER_03 26:38

But do you ever think like when you see maybe a life that you wouldn't like to live? And I always think, man, I hope I don't come back as that. And then and then I also think, well, this Christy will never know. That's true. Yeah, that is true. But I think that quite a bit.

SPEAKER_01 26:55

I just want to come back as like the dumbest person alive.

SPEAKER_03 26:58

I want to come back as a cat. The house cat, a beloved house cat.

SPEAKER_01 27:02

Literally like a bookstore cat? Oh. No, I want to be a bookstore cat.

SPEAKER_03 27:06

I want to be like one of my house cats.

SPEAKER_01 27:07

I want to be surrounded by books and the smell of coffee and people who love to read always. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 27:12

Cat uh Ashley wants to be a cat cafe. Yeah. Cat at a cat cafe.

SPEAKER_01 27:17

Yeah. You know those cats are well loved because they get snuggles all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, we're tangenti today.

SPEAKER_03 27:26

So um so yeah, so that it's just kind of a long week.

SPEAKER_01 27:30

It has been a kind of a long week.

SPEAKER_03 27:31

Like it just, I was crisis bangs.

SPEAKER_01 27:34

You don't have to say anything important to me.

SPEAKER_03 27:36

Hashtag crisis bangs. Okay, sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 27:40

You're right. So enter ghost hunters. So um then the surge of new technology like really like amplified this because if there's one thing that really makes people question everything is new technology. Yeah. And it makes, you know, like there's people who are experiencing like delusion right now with AI and having like boyfriends and girlfriends and like spouses with their AI.

SPEAKER_03 28:08

Yeah, I bet AI is really messing up the ghost hunting scene because now all of a sudden everything's paranormal.

SPEAKER_01 28:14

Yeah. Well, and like AI created videos, like it's just that's what I'm that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah. So for thousands of years people believed in ghosts, but it wasn't until the 1800s that humans started realizing that with the development of new tech, the logical next step was to grab equipment and go looking for them. So, in fact, in um 1862, the Ghost Club was founded, which is one of the oldest psycho psychical research organizations. And one of the earliest members was actually Charles Dickens.

SPEAKER_02 28:42

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

Fascinating, huh? Um, in 1882, a group of scholars in London founded the Society for Psycho Psychical Research. That is so freaking hard to say.

SPEAKER_03 28:52

Who's sabotaging who now? Not me being. Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 28:57

Um, their goal was to study paranormal phenomena s scientifically, and they would interview witnesses and document environmental changes. So these groups investigated things like hauntings, telepathy, apparitions, and mediumship. And their main goal was to prove or disprove the existence of an immortal soul using logic and technology rather than just seances. So they're like little baby scientists, like, hey, hold my beer. Let's, you know, we're gonna check into this. Um, so of course, there's always like tech that's involved in this of like what they're using on the field, right? Yeah so some of the tech they used were things that we still hear about today. And one of those is of course the Ouija board.

SPEAKER_03 29:37

Oh, heck yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:39

Heck yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:40

I grew up believing like those things were like the devil.

SPEAKER_01 29:43

Yeah. So the Ouija board was actually originally sold as a parlor game by the company Parker Brothers, and people started using it to talk to spirits only after it was already a toy. Um, I'm I and the way I envision this is like a really busy mom that had forgot that she had scheduled a seance and grabbed her kids' toy. It was like, look at this new tool I got.

SPEAKER_03 30:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:05

Like after making finger sandwiches for everybody and like making sure the house was clean. She's like, shit, what am I gonna use in my seance that I was supposed to do? Cute.

SPEAKER_03 30:15

Well, I have this letter board that I'm teaching the kids how to get their letters, and then we have this little magnifying glass.

SPEAKER_01 30:21

Yep. That's the one, and a compass. Um so, like, really one of the most famous ghost tools in history started basically as Victorian board game night.

SPEAKER_03 30:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 30:37

Sounds like Aunt Carol was actually invited to game night even in death.

SPEAKER_03 30:41

Classic Aunt Carol.

SPEAKER_01 30:42

Must have been a damn good casserole.

SPEAKER_03 30:45

Shh, the best. We'll never know though, because she won't give it up.

SPEAKER_01 30:48

No. Um, other tools were spirit photography, which we now know was double exposure. So they would use like that. They would use double exposure, and that's like kind of with the fairies, too. If you remember the have you ever heard about the fairies?

SPEAKER_03 31:03

Is it just the lights that show up in pictures? Or no?

SPEAKER_01 31:06

No, that's those are like considered orbs, I think. But no, these two girls um basically fooled everybody into thinking that they caught pictures of fairies and what they were doing was using double exposure.

SPEAKER_03 31:17

Oh smart girls.

SPEAKER_01 31:19

Yeah, smart and like paper dolls. But they were using it to like uh yeah, smart girls. Girls are gonna roll a roll.

SPEAKER_03 31:25

Gosh, I just keep thinking, like, how can I trick society and make a bunch of money?

SPEAKER_01 31:28

I'm tricking people every day thinking that I know what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_03 31:32

You do know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 31:34

Sure did.

SPEAKER_03 31:35

When am I gonna get an opportunity? Gotta create your own opportunity.

SPEAKER_01 31:41

I guess, yeah. Um you're really talking everybody into thinking you're a good podcast co-host.

SPEAKER_03 31:47

Yeah. I well, here's the thing. I was really good up until today. I got everybody locked in.

SPEAKER_01 31:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:53

And now I got you where I want.

SPEAKER_01 31:55

And now you're like, look at that shiny thing. Look at that shiny thing.

SPEAKER_03 31:58

I actually have something I've been wanting to say for a while. And say it. Do you use this trick, which is like crossing your fingers so you don't forget something?

SPEAKER_01 32:05

No, because my mother.

SPEAKER_03 32:07

Because then I'm like, why did I exactly so you keep no my my cute mom? She would cross her fingers to be like, okay, I can't forget to do, you know, X, Y, or Z or whatever. And then she just keep her fingers crossed till she did it.

SPEAKER_01 32:18

Oh, nice.

SPEAKER_03 32:19

Yeah. Do you want me to ask? So I can quit crossing my finger. I haven't been crossing my finger, but I've just been keeping thinking about something.

SPEAKER_01 32:24

Yeah, tell me.

SPEAKER_03 32:25

Are you gonna talk about Bloody Mary?

SPEAKER_01 32:26

No, I'm not gonna talk about Bloody Mary.

SPEAKER_03 32:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 32:29

Tell me about Bloody Mary.

SPEAKER_03 32:30

Oh, I don't know. I don't know the story behind Bloody Mary, but I do have uh it just is funny because I don't even know a long time ago, not a long time ago, a couple years ago when when uh like my kids and my nieces and nephews were all little, one of the kids told all the kids about Bloody Mary. And actually, now that I'm saying it out loud, I think my brother told the kids about Bloody Mary, because that's classic him.

SPEAKER_01 32:50

That's classic uncle move. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:52

Uncle trouble. Um but he told the kids about Bloody Mary, like told them how to do it. Like you go into the bathroom or whatever, and I think you say Bloody Mary into the mirror three times or something. Something like that. Anyways, but at the time, my youngest, which is the youngest um on my side of the family, so the the youngest grandkid, he came and told us this whole story about Bloody Mary, and we're like, this is great.

SPEAKER_01 33:12

Listen, the only Bloody Mary I know comes with snacks.

unknown 33:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 33:18

Indeed, once a month, once a month, Bloody Mary comes with a vengeance. No?

SPEAKER_01 33:22

With snacks. Bloody Marys.

SPEAKER_03 33:25

The little I thought you were talking about periods. Oh.

SPEAKER_01 33:33

We might have to start this completely off.

SPEAKER_03 33:35

And cut.

SPEAKER_01 33:36

And cut. No, that's actually a really funny thing.

SPEAKER_03 33:41

I wouldn't say a Bloody Mary's a snack, though.

SPEAKER_01 33:44

It's like You're not having the wrong bloody Marys if you're not.

SPEAKER_03 33:50

It's essentially like soup. Bacon, ham, shrimp, yeah, uh, lobster leg. That's not a snack. It was a it was a whole ass meal.

SPEAKER_02 33:59

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 34:00

A chaser? It's a girl dinner. Oh, it's yeah, it's girl dinner. It's girl dinner. Yeah. When you said snack though, I was thinking like candy. Oh. And chocolate. No. During that time of the month.

SPEAKER_01 34:10

No, snacks to me are like chips and things. Savory. Savory.

SPEAKER_03 34:14

Okay. Did you put your finger on the thing?

SPEAKER_01 34:17

I've been doing this.

SPEAKER_03 34:18

You've been crossing your fingers, kick go. We're gonna quit it.

SPEAKER_01 34:23

Another tool that they used were compasses, which were believed to indicate when a spirit was nearby, when the needle would like move or shake erratically. However, the tech we hear the most about in modern ghost investigations, the electromagnetic field readers, or EMF for short, was not actually introduced as a tool until the late 80s, early 90s. And that's 1980, 1990s. Sorry. Thank you for the clarification. Well, we've been in the 1800s, so I just wanted to bring you back to the world.

SPEAKER_03 34:54

Well, and you know, we're also in the 2000s now, so for us when people would say 89, 80s, we'd be probably think the 18s. Yeah. Because we were born in the 19s, but anyways, all these small babies.

SPEAKER_01 35:07

All these babes. They're like, that was in the 1900s, and I'm like, how dare you?

SPEAKER_03 35:14

You know what? Never mind.

SPEAKER_01 35:16

So while no single person is credited with inventing the use of EMF readers to communicate with the with the other side, um, Lloyd Arabach, a prominent parapsychologist, was one of the first to bring them into the field during the late 80s. He popularized their use as a way to find natural explanations for hauntings like faulty wiring causing hallucinations rather than just looking for ghosts. Yeah. But the main reason these eventually got catapulted into light and as a required tool for ghost hunting was due to the 1984 movie Ghostbusters. And I have a note here that we have to pause for singing.

SPEAKER_03 35:50

I didn't know you were gonna say that, but I was like, what is the the Ghostbusters? And I was thinking the wrong thing.

SPEAKER_02 35:55

What?

SPEAKER_03 35:56

I was trying to think of the the like the Who are you gonna call?

SPEAKER_02 36:00

Ghostbusters.

SPEAKER_03 36:01

Yeah, like the chorus, but I was trying to think of the melody.

SPEAKER_02 36:04

In the neighborhood. Who are you gonna call?

SPEAKER_03 36:07

Why are you whispering that?

SPEAKER_01 36:08

You gotta Ghostbusters!

SPEAKER_03 36:09

Do it with all your heart into the mic.

SPEAKER_01 36:10

I can't, I can't. I have a really sad confession for you. I've actually never seen it. Really? I've really never seen it. Oh it's cute. Yeah. Um yeah. So speaking of those iconic ghost hunters, let's talk about the most famous places where ghost hunters have gone and actually found stuff. So we're gonna talk about haunted places.

SPEAKER_03 36:29

Is it White Walker Ranch?

SPEAKER_01 36:30

Skinwalker Ranch. Skinwalker Ranch, I think. I don't think so. Okay Um I think there is plenty of people, like there's a show about that, I think, but that's not on this list because that's in Utah, isn't it? There's like tours you can do down there.

SPEAKER_03 36:43

Yeah, we'll think about it.

SPEAKER_01 36:44

I don't know enough about it, I don't think. And I don't know if I want to research it because it might scare me a lot.

SPEAKER_03 36:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:49

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 36:50

I was gonna say, let's have someone coming on and mansplain it to us.

SPEAKER_01 36:53

Oh yes. For future reference, we're going to be having some mansplainers come and mansplain things to us because our YouTube comments really just don't do us justice. We need some more mansplainers in our lives, clearly. We're just little bit women that don't know anything. Keep it coming. Because of course the world needs more men with a microphone. Okay. Um, so haunted locations. Yes. Um so one of them is the Stanley Hotel. So this historic hotel is one of the most famous paranormal locations in the United States.

SPEAKER_03 37:24

Never heard of it.

SPEAKER_01 37:25

You haven't? No. Where's it at? Um, I don't know exactly where it's at, but I know it inspired the setting for the shining by Stephen King.

SPEAKER_03 37:32

Oh, I've never seen that.

SPEAKER_01 37:33

I've never seen that either.

SPEAKER_03 37:34

Um let me look up the Stanley Hotel murders?

SPEAKER_01 37:39

No, just the Stanley Hotel.

SPEAKER_03 37:41

There was no murders there?

SPEAKER_01 37:43

I don't know. It's uh inspired the setting for the shining by Stephen King. So here are some reported experiences that that guests have heard. Oh my god, Christy, what?

SPEAKER_03 37:55

Have you seen that Simpsons episode?

SPEAKER_01 37:56

That's kind of like I've never seen it. You can just assume I've never seen it. I have never seen it. I don't watch The Simpsons like you watch The Simpsons.

SPEAKER_03 38:06

Ever?

SPEAKER_01 38:06

No.

SPEAKER_03 38:07

Like you were growing up, you didn't watch The Simpsons.

SPEAKER_01 38:09

I wasn't allowed to.

SPEAKER_03 38:10

I wasn't allowed to watch much, but we definitely got to watch The Simpsons. No, I wasn't allowed to watch. 7 p.m. on Sundays.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

Oh yeah, no. I never I mean I've seen a few episodes like here and there, but I've never like religiously watched it like you.

SPEAKER_03 38:22

If you watch The Simpsons, this world would make so much more sense of like just weird things that people say because so many people quote The Simpsons.

SPEAKER_01 38:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 38:33

But listen, I'm already watching Dexter. I can only do eyeballs.

SPEAKER_03 38:38

My kids are watching The Simpsons right now. It's very funny.

SPEAKER_01 38:40

Oh. Where are you just like on a streaming or yeah, on a streaming service? On a streaming service.

SPEAKER_03 38:45

I did not know that about you.

SPEAKER_01 38:47

You didn't know? I mean, yeah, you did.

SPEAKER_03 38:48

No, I did not.

SPEAKER_01 38:49

You didn't know that I wasn't allowed to watch The Simpsons?

SPEAKER_03 38:51

No.

SPEAKER_01 38:52

Oh yeah. I don't know. I also, for just weird context, I was never allowed to watch The Matrix either. Which came out in the prime of my youth. Um, okay, so reported experiences that people have experienced at the Stanley Hotel. So guests have heard children playing in empty hallways, piano music playing in the ballroom late at night, lights turning off and on without like having anybody in there, and feelings of being watched. Like the guests have felt like they were being watched by somebody. Um so the investigations that like they've done there, um, paranormal investigations have taken EVPs, which is electronic voice phenomena, and like they've heard they've captured recordings of voices. Um disembodied voices is what they call it.

SPEAKER_03 39:39

Ugh, I don't like that. That gives me the heebies that's yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:42

Um EMF fluctuations in certain rooms, so some rooms would be fine, other rooms would have like huge spikes of things, and it would be interesting to know if there was like significant events that had happened in those rooms. Um, anyways, and then motion sensors triggering with no visible cause, like modern security now with and it's just triggering things that the cobwebs.

SPEAKER_03 40:03

Yeah. Any of that stuff is just cobwebs.

SPEAKER_01 40:05

Sure, Jan. So some investigators believe the hotel may hold residual emotional energy from decades of guests and events, which could explain repeated experiences um in the same areas. However, others believe that old wiring and thin walls create like auditory illusions, like people think they're hearing voices that maybe are coming from like a few rooms down, but they can't see anybody, so they think it's you know, and then old wiring can cause EMF things to go off. So the next place is the Waverly Hills Sanatorium. Okay. So this is a former tuberculosis hospital, and it has become one of the most heavily investigated paranormal sites in the United States.

SPEAKER_03 40:46

Oh, and where's that at?

SPEAKER_01 40:48

I don't know. What's it called? Waverly Hills Sanatorium.

SPEAKER_03 40:52

Do you want to take a stab in the dark of where it is?

SPEAKER_01 40:54

I wanna say Minnesota.

SPEAKER_03 40:57

Do you want to try again?

SPEAKER_02 40:58

Virginia.

SPEAKER_03 40:59

No. Louisville, Kentucky. Oh. Also, like a pretty kind of a cool structure. Oh, all the old buildings are way cooler than what we what we're throwing up now.

SPEAKER_01 41:10

That kind of looks like OG High. So um, thousands of patients have uh died here during outbreaks, and many investigators believe the building may contain strong emotional energy imprints. As you and I both know, tuberculosis is a horrific way to die. Yes. Um, it's slow and painful and could definitely leave an impact on a place. Um, so reported activity of people who've gone there to investigate. They've seen shadow figures moving in hallways, disembodied voices, footsteps in empty rooms, and sudden temperature drops, which I think that one freaks me out the most.

SPEAKER_03 41:43

Oh, yeah, just to get oh I'm just getting like chill thinking about that.

SPEAKER_01 41:46

Yeah. So investigators frequently capture EVPs here, which is the um electronic voice phenomenon. Um, and some believe the building may contain both residual hauntings and intelligent spirits interacting with visitors. And to me, this would definitely make sense, like given a lot of people who died from TB were actually pretty young and maybe they didn't want to die yet, and so they're still like hanging out.

SPEAKER_03 42:07

That's where ghosts make sense sense to me, is just people being like, I'm unhappy the fact that I'm moving on.

SPEAKER_01 42:13

Yeah, you can't make me go.

SPEAKER_03 42:14

Do you know who is still haunting this world because she's unhappy about moving on? Susan Pell.

SPEAKER_01 42:19

Oh go ahead. Oh my god, dude. Okay, get your phone out because you got another place to Google. You ready? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 42:27

Yeah. Do it, lady.

SPEAKER_01 42:29

I actually know where this one is.

unknown 42:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 42:31

It is the Bollery Rectory. It's often called the most haunted house in England.

SPEAKER_03 42:36

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 42:37

It was famously. Yeah, it was famously investigated by early paranormal researcher Harry Prince in the early 1900s. Price. Price.

SPEAKER_03 42:47

Google's free. In Night Offense, you told me to look it up. I did. Okay, go.

SPEAKER_01 42:56

Um, the reported activity here have been apparitions of a nun walking the grounds, which for whatever reason, people really are get freaked out by nuns. And I don't know if that's like a childhood like Catholic school trauma thing that people have experienced, but like to me, nuns make me think of that cute little nun in the elf movie where she's like, but the children love the books. They love the books. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:20

Makes me think of Sister Act.

SPEAKER_01 43:22

Oh, with whoopee.

SPEAKER_03 43:23

Yeah. It was like one of the few movies my grandparents had. So when we go to their house, like we could watch Sister Act, we could watch Sound of Music. Uh they probably had Sound of Music, Aesops Fables.

SPEAKER_01 43:34

I don't remember any of the others. That was a really good story. Thank you. Other things that happened there were objects moving on their own and writing appearing on walls. So while some reports Do you know what's scary than writing on the walls? What?

SPEAKER_03 43:49

Engravings on the walls, because they were like scratching it.

SPEAKER_01 43:52

Oh yeah. Anyways, go ahead. That is creepy. Thank you. Um I'm out of control.

SPEAKER_03 44:01

I'm so sorry. I don't know why. I'm sorry.

unknown 44:05

I love it.

SPEAKER_01 44:09

Why are you doing this to me?

SPEAKER_03 44:11

I'm sorry. We're on the wrong side. And we switched, but you'd have to. See our YouTube to see that we switched.

SPEAKER_01 44:22

And I went first this time. Yep. And usually go first. Oh. So I'm not properly upside down. Hydrated. Yeah. I guess. And you are? You've had the time to properly hydrate. Yeah. Um, we're in the upside down. Okay, so while some reports were later questioned, the site became one of the first places where investigators tried to document hauntings in a structured, like scientific way. So this is one of the ones that's like most debated is whether it really is haunted, because um, like a lot of people are like, no, that's not real. And I think just in general, people in the in the is it the UK? I think they're just more generally alike. Whatever.

SPEAKER_03 45:02

Well, because they've they're just an older culture, so they've already just like this this is what they went through, you know, yeah, 150 years ago.

SPEAKER_01 45:09

They've lived life already.

SPEAKER_03 45:11

They're like, get over it. Like, yes, we have this extra energy in the house. Who doesn't? It's Wednesday.

SPEAKER_01 45:17

Yeah. Get the nun a cookie and go on with your life.

SPEAKER_03 45:20

Oh. She knows where the cookies are.

SPEAKER_01 45:24

But the children love the book.

SPEAKER_02 45:27

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 45:29

That is for sure when I think of a nun. That is not what I think of.

SPEAKER_01 45:33

Oh, what do you think of? Oh, just Whoopi of Goldberg.

SPEAKER_03 45:35

Yeah, but like that's such an interesting reference. There's just so many other nuns.

SPEAKER_01 45:39

It's just like a sweet little granny, is what I think of. I don't know. Okay. Um, okay, the next place is the Eastern State Penitentiary. Um, did you want to Google that? No, I I better not. It's probably on the East Coast somewhere.

SPEAKER_03 45:52

Safe bet.

SPEAKER_01 45:53

This historic prison once held some of the most notorious criminals in American history and was known for a harsh solitary confinement practice.

SPEAKER_03 46:01

That's creepy. If I were gonna visit a ghost site, I think a penitentiary would be the last one that I would interesting. Check off.

SPEAKER_01 46:10

Um, I've gone to Alcatraz and I have to I really loved it. It was really cool.

SPEAKER_03 46:14

Is it known to be haunted? Probably.

SPEAKER_01 46:16

Probably. I mean, I think it's the same thing.

SPEAKER_03 46:18

I think everything is known to be haunted. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:20

The thing I've always found interesting is historical site-wise, I think it's it's like always like somebody from like the 1800s and not like like a 2007 girl that got, you know, like nobody's busting in, like singing like an N-Sync song or whatever, you know, like Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:37

Every time I go downstairs, it's everybody is that in sync, or is that Backstreet Voice? I don't even know. Sorry, I was not a boy band gal. Same, same. But do we know what it is?

SPEAKER_01 46:50

Um, I'm pretty sure it was Backstreet Voice.

SPEAKER_03 46:53

Okay. Oopsie.

SPEAKER_01 46:54

Yeah, that's fine. Um, so places or things that have happened here, the reported paranormal experiences, um, are whispers echoing through the cell blocks, shadow figures seen in doorways, unexplained movement of objects, which also freaks me out a ton, and feelings of intense, intense emotional heaviness in certain areas. And paranormal researchers believe places like this may hold energetic imprints from suffering in isolation, which could explain recurring phenomenon um reported by visitors, and also it's just creepy as hell.

SPEAKER_03 47:28

Well, I think you gotta think about the different characters of ghosts, like who what type of ghost do you want to encounter? I don't wanna I don't want to encounter a pris an ex-prisoner ghost. Yeah. Nar good, Nar dude.

SPEAKER_01 47:41

I think the little kids ones would be fun. I mean sad. That's weird. Like a little kid, you just like, oh yeah, that's just Susie, whatever, playing with toys upstairs. Like, she's fine, you know.

SPEAKER_03 47:52

Six cents. That's what that reminds me of.

unknown 47:54

I see dead people.

SPEAKER_01 47:57

Okay, and then the last place, this one might be kind of obvious, but it's the Gettysburg Battlefield. So I'm pretty sure this is in Pennsylvania.

SPEAKER_03 48:06

Sure, I'm not gonna look it up.

SPEAKER_01 48:08

This site is one of the dead deadliest battles of the Battle of Gettysburg during the American Civil War. And because of the enormous loss of life, many paranormal investigators believe the battlefield may contain residual energy from the events of the battle. Reported experiences here have been phantom gunfire or drums, apparitions of soldiers, mysterious fog-like figures, and sudden emotional shifts or feelings of grief. Some theories suggest traumatic events may create energetic imprints that replay the environment. So this is kind of like what we were talking about before. Um, when something's like happened that's been like really significant there, it almost gets like imprinted on the timeline.

SPEAKER_03 48:50

And then it just kind of like never never goes on.

SPEAKER_01 48:53

Yeah. So um, and like even if there is truth to that, places that have had such like horrific things happen often carry heaviness, like likely due to our empathetic nature as humans. Um, and another example would be like the Holocaust Museum or the the the sites of the Holocaust. But this theory is called the residual energy theory, so let's talk about that for a minute. Um many paranormal researchers think the reason that we experience things like paranormal events is um or like things that are repeating is because um it's a residual haunting and sometimes called like the stone tape theory, which I think is just like the same thing. So concept the concept suggests that emotional or traumatic events release an intense energy and certain environments store that energy, and then under the right conditions, it can be replayed almost kind of like a recording. So these people that are experiencing these things are almost seeing like the same thing happen over and over again, and because it was just such a significant thing that had happened there. That's pretty fascinating. So, in this theory, not every ghost is a conscious spirit, some may be energetic echoes of the past events. This is why certain locations seem to have repeated sightings of the same phenomenon over decades and decades. So people from one time period see it, yeah. So, why do people keep investigating? We have a lot of tech now, and we're like, sure, Jan, that goes.

SPEAKER_03 50:15

Yeah, yeah, for sure. And it yeah, it's like it's just definitely a mystery, and people never stop looking for a mystery. I or never stop looking into a mystery because what if this is the time that we like? Figure it out. You want to be the one that's case in point Susan Powell.

SPEAKER_01 50:31

Yeah, you want to be the one that solves it.

SPEAKER_03 50:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:33

And also it just kind of eats at you a little bit when it's stuff like that. Like for Shirzy, I think about Susan Powell all the time.

unknown 50:39

All the time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:40

She might be a Roman Empire for me.

SPEAKER_01 50:42

Yeah, yeah. Actually, so even though paranormal evidence is difficult to prove in a controlled scientific setting, ghost hunters continue investigating because many people report similar experiences in the same places. These include voices captured on audio recordings, sudden changes in electromagnetic magnetic fields and readings, um, unexplained temperature shifts, and visual anomalies on cameras. For believers, these patterns suggest there may be phenomenon we truly don't understand yet, especially when it comes to like consciousness and energy and like art and like time, because I I say all the time, time isn't real. So and like we always we know like the law of energy can't be created or destroyed, it can only be like transformed. So could human experiences leave an energetic imprint on a place? And is that exactly like what we're experiencing? Is instead of those people being reincarnated, they're just their energy just lives in that area.

SPEAKER_03 51:36

Yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_01 51:37

Um, especially like traumatic things, like I think like people that left unwillingly chapters unwritten and yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Um so now that we've got through that, do you do you believe in ghosts? Probably, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 51:52

And what would a little like a a different definition of a ghost, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 51:56

Yeah, I think not like I think I came into it like, yeah, cartoony, like no, not Casper. I have seen Casper, Casey Woodring.

SPEAKER_03 52:03

Oh my gosh, somebody get her a medal.

SPEAKER_01 52:05

Um, so what would it take to convince you that a place is actually haunted?

SPEAKER_03 52:09

And um, I think it would take so nowadays, again, with AI, it's like who knows what to even believe? Like, so yeah, I don't think it would be a video. It might just have to be me being there in person. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 52:27

Um, what was what would the first thing like what would be the first thing you'd do if you you experienced something like that in person? Do you think?

SPEAKER_03 52:35

Oh, I'd probably like scream like the weird, like the uncontrollable, like you make a you make a sound that you could never make again, whatever those are called.

SPEAKER_02 52:44

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 52:45

You know when you like get scared, you know those videos where people like record them like scaring the shit out of somebody else, and they make like just a sound that they've never heard shut of your face. Um they've just made a sound that they've never made before in their whole entire lives, and that's that's the sound I would make.

SPEAKER_01 53:03

Okay, cool. So um you asked me before if I believe in ghosts, and I do. Um, but like we said before, I think mainly like I think in like other timelines exist because again, time isn't real. Um and maybe what we are seeing is ghosts is actually like a leftover or a bleed over of another timeline that for whatever reason our consciousness has just like tapped into for a second. But we don't have like the ability to like stay in it for not long. You don't control, yeah. Um, and the energy theory just like makes sense to me. Um, I've always said, or no, not I always it has been said not me.

SPEAKER_03 53:41

I personally actually have always said this.

SPEAKER_01 53:44

Um, that your perception is your reality. So if you believe, I guess that means it's real, at least in your version of reality. So okay. We made it finally to the game. Thank the heavens. We are gonna play Would You Rather Haunted Edition. Oh yay! Let's do it, lady. Do you know how Would You Rather works? Just a quick one for you.

SPEAKER_03 54:08

Thank you. I do know how it works.

SPEAKER_01 54:10

Would you rather spend the night in a haunted hotel room where people hear footsteps or a haunted forest where people see shadow figures?

SPEAKER_03 54:19

Hotel.

SPEAKER_01 54:21

Okay. Would you rather be haunted by a Victorian child ghost who constantly asks to play, or be haunted by a ghost who just mildly judges everything you do?

SPEAKER_03 54:32

That one.

SPEAKER_01 54:32

The mild I'd rather get mildly judged than Is that because you have a cat and you're just used to being mildly judged by a cat. Yeah, probably.

SPEAKER_03 54:39

But I just don't want like a little child. I you were saying something about like, I'd like love to see a child ghost. No.

SPEAKER_01 54:45

No, I wouldn't want to s I don't think I would love to see a child ghost, but I think that's a little bit more innocent than seeing like a penitentiary like an old guy murder. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:56

No, I'd go for the the silently judging me.

SPEAKER_01 55:00

Alright. Would you rather see a ghost once very clearly or hear a ghost whisper your name every night for a week?

SPEAKER_03 55:07

Stop, yeah. That's the first one. Yep, that's fine.

SPEAKER_01 55:13

Would you rather know ghosts are real but never see one again, or see ghosts regularly but nobody believes you?

SPEAKER_03 55:20

Okay, read the first one again. What?

SPEAKER_01 55:22

Would you rather know ghosts are real but never see one ever again? Like you never see one. Or you see ghosts regularly, but nobody believes you.

SPEAKER_03 55:34

Yeah, at the first one again.

SPEAKER_01 55:35

Okay. Would you rather ghost hunt in an abandoned prison or ghost hunt in an abandoned hospital?

SPEAKER_03 55:43

Ooh, hospital for sure. Ooh.

SPEAKER_01 55:46

More death that's happened to the house.

SPEAKER_03 55:47

I just told you that. I think I think prisons would be freaky. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:53

Would you rather use a Ouija board alone or listen to EVPs from a haunted house alone at midnight?

SPEAKER_03 56:00

Uh I think I'll go with the Ouija board. Alright. What would you do?

SPEAKER_02 56:05

Um I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 56:11

Ashley just stalled.

SPEAKER_01 56:12

I just I think maybe like I don't know. I think EVPs are interesting. Okay. That's interesting. Because if I'm if I'm in like like the comfort of my own home, but I'm listening to like that, because I that's I think that's what it means, right? Like you're using a Ouija board alone or listen to EVPs from a haunted house alone at midnight.

SPEAKER_03 56:30

Like a well, if you're using the Ouija board at home, you're gonna know if you're the one moving it. Yeah. So then it'll really tell me if something's there.

SPEAKER_01 56:37

And it would freak me the hell out if it moved. If it moved if I was by myself? I mean, I'd still I'd still rather I think it would make me um spiral out of control thinking like, I'm not crazy, you're crazy. You know?

SPEAKER_03 56:53

I can envision that perfectly. Your arguments with a mirror.

SPEAKER_01 56:56

Yeah. Um, would you rather see a full body apparition once or experience small paranormal things happening around you forever? Like doors closing, lights flickering.

SPEAKER_03 57:07

Once again, the first.

SPEAKER_01 57:08

These are easy. Would you rather be locked overnight in a haunted asylum or sleep in a cemetery for a night?

SPEAKER_03 57:16

Um The cemetery. Sleep in a cemetery. I don't want to be locked anywhere.

SPEAKER_01 57:22

Yeah. Would you rather accidentally capture a ghost on video or have a ghost speak directly to you once?

SPEAKER_03 57:30

Ooh, a ghost speak to me once. That'd be kind of cool, huh?

SPEAKER_01 57:32

Yeah. Yeah. Um, well, that's all I have. We finally made it to the end.

SPEAKER_03 57:38

Woof.

SPEAKER_01 57:39

So now I guess notes for me is after I finish watching Dexter, I'm gonna have to watch The Simpsons, which there's like 75 freaking seasons.

SPEAKER_03 57:46

78. I don't know. I don't know how many. I think they're there's a lot. I think they're in the 40s.

SPEAKER_01 57:51

Yeah, there's a lot.

SPEAKER_03 57:52

It's so good.

SPEAKER_01 57:54

I here's a fun thing. I played the Simpsons game when I was a kid. Did you ever play the car game?

SPEAKER_03 58:01

The one where they drive the car?

SPEAKER_01 58:02

I think so.

SPEAKER_03 58:03

Yeah. I think you can do other things, and you have to like pick up people on the bus or something. I think so.

SPEAKER_01 58:07

There's like all sorts of stuff.

SPEAKER_03 58:08

That's good.

SPEAKER_02 58:08

Yeah, I put that.

SPEAKER_03 58:09

That's wild. I just learned so much about you today.

SPEAKER_02 58:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 58:12

Well, you go home and ask your parents why they wouldn't let you watch it, and if they watched it, because there's a lot of things that were like, no, you guys can't watch it, like to our kids, and then we absolutely watch it.

SPEAKER_02 58:20

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 58:21

So where are Ashley's parents putting them to bed? And then, like, yep, here we go with The Simpsons that we recorded on VHS.

SPEAKER_01 58:27

Dude, I was the youngest of four, ain't nobody putting me to bed. They were just like, when you fall asleep, that's when you go to bed.

SPEAKER_03 58:33

Just like make sure you're inside, please.

SPEAKER_01 58:35

Like, wait, who are you? Oh, there's number four. Shoot, I forgot you existed. Did you eat today?

SPEAKER_03 58:43

The best way to grow up. Feral.

SPEAKER_01 58:46

Feral. Feral. And also as the favorite because the youngest. FF.

SPEAKER_03 58:51

Feral favorite.

SPEAKER_01 58:51

Feral favorite. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 58:54

Congratulations.

SPEAKER_01 58:55

Thank you. Um, that's all I have. So uh remember to stay human, stay curious, and don't let the robots win.