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Welcome back to T Bob. I'm Ashley. This is Christy. And we are back on our bullshit.

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Yeah, we are.

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How are you?

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I'm here.

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She's here. She's gonna rephrase that to say she's doing great. I'm doing great. Any corrections or updates you want to bring to the table, friend?

SPEAKER_01 0:40

Um, maybe I said that I only washed my face with hand soap a couple episodes ago. And that's 50% true. Okay. So I do have like nice face wash in my shower. Yeah. But I just like on the go, just use hand soap.

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I mean, either way, your skin looks great. Thank you. Yeah.

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Whatever you're doing, keep doing it, I guess. My friend turned me on to some Korean skincare.

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So oh, wow. You're gonna have that glass skin. Have you seen those videos of those girls that do like the glass skin masks?

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Maybe.

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Yeah, they're on TikTok. They just they look.

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I will start seeing them now that you said that.

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Yeah, probably. Yeah. Put it out into the ether.

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Yeah.

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Okay. Well, I have a little bit of an update. So tell me. I'm still watching Dexter. Okay. And I'm gonna be honest, dude, I'm over it. Oh, okay. You you can stop at any time. I'm kind of over it. I have to finish. I can't I can't not finish. But um, and this is a spoiler for anyone who hasn't watched it and intends to watch it. Um, like once Deb finds out that he's a he's a serial killer, it just gets boring.

SPEAKER_01 1:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:45

I'm over it. And also that weird like side path that she sort of takes where she thinks she's in love with her brother gives me the that was unnecessary and weird. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I know that they're not actually related, but having to like justify, like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

It was well, and then they they kind of made it a big deal, and then like the storyline died off. I think, I think somebody, somebody in the writer room was like, Oh my gosh, I have such a good idea. And they were like, Steve, that's a terrible idea.

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Steve, stop telling us that you're in love with your sister.

SPEAKER_01 2:23

Yeah, that's gross. And so they let it play out for a minute, and then they were like, never mind. Okay, this is abort, abort, abort, abort.

SPEAKER_02 2:34

Um, I will say also this season that I'm in is the one where the mob like they're it's kind of like a mobby film. Oh yeah. They have like the the club, but then also they're like dealing heroin underneath of it. I I just feel like the mob thing is always way overplayed in TV. And I'm just it's just like a like it's always at some point, there's it's always the mob, right? Yeah, like be so for real right now.

SPEAKER_01 3:00

Maybe there's a lot of our lives that revolve around the mob that you don't know about.

SPEAKER_02 3:05

Maybe probably speaking of which, this is a tangent, but did you ever watch that show McMillions? No, that one was really good. It was about the McDonald's Monopoly scams that happened.

SPEAKER_01 3:17

I can see how I can see how it's talking about mobs transitioned you to there.

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Yeah, it's because it's about the mob. Oh, it is? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:24

Oh, I was being funny.

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No, the mob not funny hacked the Monopoly um McDonald's Monopoly thing, and there was like a whole FBI investigation about it. Oh, I thought it was just some random dude. No, and right as they were about to break the story, September 11th happened. It's wild, dude. You should watch that documentary. It's really good. You're just being a shithead, but you're actually giving me so much and you don't even know it.

SPEAKER_01 3:50

I'm trying not to tangent you too much today. That's new for you.

SPEAKER_02 3:55

Thanks. You're right, the vibes are off. Okay, so um, we're getting into the warmer months, and I want to know like, I know you guys camp a lot. Indeed. Yeah. Um, and you love camping. I do love camping.

SPEAKER_01 4:11

I also don't camp as much as I would like to.

SPEAKER_02 4:13

Yeah.

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But we camp a fair amount, and I like it.

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Okay. Growing up, that's what my family pretty much did. We didn't really do like big vacations or anything, we did camping trips. And like we would get together with all of my aunts and uncles on um either side of the family, whatever. Sometimes both, they would merge together. Um, but we'd get together, everybody had like four-wheelers, and we'd do these big long camping trips, and it was so, so fun. Um, where would you guys go? We would go to like Willow Flat. Um I don't know where that is.

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Idaho.

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Idaho. Yeah, mostly Idaho.

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I was gonna say, you guys are Idaho. Yeah, Idaho peoples.

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Um, we would sometimes go to the sand dunes, but I don't love the sand. I just don't love sand dune type things. Yeah. It just sand gets everywhere, and they're dangerous, and they're dangerous, and just it just generally a bad experience with the sand dunes. I don't like sand. But we do um, I have a special place in my heart for like southern Utah and like Moab area. Some of the best camping trips I've been on have been down in that area too. So um, but one thing I never considered like as a child, and this is gonna lead into the episode a little bit, is the wildlife. And like it's on my mind now as an adult. Um, but like back then, like, duh, like, of course there's wildlife, but it didn't occur to me that like you were kind of a sitting duck a little bit with like yeah, because that was none of your business.

SPEAKER_01 5:35

That was your parents to take care of.

SPEAKER_02 5:36

Exactly. It really is. Um, and I wrote this down, I said, um I knew about it as a child, but I wasn't um worried because that was the grown-up's problem and I was invincible. Yeah. But now, as the adult in the room, kind of, um, it occurred to me of how much of a sitting duck you are for things like mountain lions, bears, all of that stuff. Oh, on that note, I'm gonna tell you about some of the most fantastic beasts in our world and where to find them.

SPEAKER_01 6:05

That sounds like a book title.

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It is. It is a book title.

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I never read that book.

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Um, that's a lie because you have it right there.

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I know it's right there, but I've never read it.

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Um okay, so but I'm gonna tell you about some of the mythical beasts. So we I'm gonna tell those are the only ones I care about. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you, and I'm gonna let you decide. So after I tell you about the three big hitters, I'm gonna let you decide off of some of the things I tell you whether it's potentially like if we're all collectively Delulu or if it's Trululu.

SPEAKER_01 6:37

So those are you make that up. Those are No, I Googled Dululu or Trulu.

SPEAKER_02 6:43

I literally Googled what's the opposite of Dululu? I said Trululu. Oh so your your kids that are listening that are like very into the the slang, they're probably like, oh good job, Ashley. Yeah. All right. So first up, we're messing with Sasquatch. Let's talk about the one, the only Trululu. Bigfoot. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:06

Oh, I love it.

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You have to wait.

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Oh, okay. Sorry.

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So I do have some pictures. They're the iconic picture of um, it's a screen grab of a video. Um, everybody knows it's the what appears to be Sasquatch looking back over his shoulder. Um, there's also a a drawing of a mythical type beast, and then uh a cast of a footprint. So um first let's talk about where like the stories of Bigfoot originate. Okay. The earliest account of Bigfoot comes from Harry Man pictographs estimated to be thousands of years old. These paintings are found in the Toole River Indian Reservation and depict a figure that the tribe calls Mayak de Tat, which translates to Harry Man, and they associate that with the modern Bigfoot. Okay. Um, around the 1800s, there are various journal accounts from settlers, loggers, miners um, as they moved west in the Americas, um, and they mentioned large 14-inch footprints, and that's boy inches, just so we're clear.

SPEAKER_01 8:13

Okay, thanks for clarifying. I was wondering.

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Um, and there's also been uh accounts of a race of giants that smell horrible, still fish from traps, and live on mountaintops.

SPEAKER_01 8:27

Oh, I've never yeah, I've never heard like the the lore of Bigfoot smelling bad, but you you could probably guess that.

SPEAKER_02 8:34

Maybe. But I mean I would also stay away from people if I smell bad.

SPEAKER_01 8:39

They should make like a a series about Bigfoot where he's just trying to live his life and try and be like just so quiet and not not disturb anybody and just you know, like the from the angle of like I'm just trying to live my life, and people are hunting me constantly. Yeah, he's in witness protection.

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Or also people are just camping and they're like, What's that smell? And he's just crying. He's just living his life and attacked by like these campers, like, oh, something smells horrific.

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And he's like, I just wanted to see what you guys were up to.

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Just wanted some of your jerky. There are also some accounts that talk about cannibalistic wild men that live on the peaks of Mount St. Helens. And as I was looking this up, um, most of the accounts have like from like Bigfoot hunters or whatever, have been in the Pacific Northwest, specifically like in the state of Washington, which is interesting. Um, and California. California is like big on it too for some reason. The Redwoods. Yeah. Yeah. So um then now let's talk about the cultures that first like spoke about them. So typically indigenous nations, but eventually um colonists talked about this um as they began to like move and develop in the country. As far as the indigenous nations are concerned, they viewed it as a spiritual guardian, a relative or a messenger whose presence reminds humans to live in harmony with the land, which I love. But of course, in contrast, early colonists reported that this beast was more of an aggressive or dangerous creature to be wary of, which, yeah, if you're um, you know, chopping down trees and making logs and all of that stuff, of course, it's gonna be a dangerous thing to you. So as far as um reported sightings, so I got quite a few of these actually from a show I stumbled upon. So you know how YouTube kind of like compiles like the um like five things and it like pulls clips from shows. Uh-huh. It was that the show is called The Proof is Out There and it's on the History Channel. So that's the algorithm, probably. Maybe. Yeah.

unknown 10:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:48

But it was like within one YouTube. Oh you know what? You're that's none of my business.

SPEAKER_01 10:54

Okay, yeah.

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I don't even know what the algorithm is.

SPEAKER_01 10:56

Okay, so say that sentence again because I already forgot what you said.

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Um, so the the show that I found like a lot of these sightings from is is called The Proof Is Out There. And it was kind of giving the vibes that I had talked about before. Um uh that show that I really loved, the fact fact or fake.

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Uh-huh.

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So they kind of like present both sides, like they have biologists look at some stuff and like compare what this evidence is that people have submitted. So um, so starting off strong in the 1924, um starting off strong in the 1924s. Well, I already talked about indigenous, you know what? No, it's just funny that you said that. I know. It was should I say it again? No. Starting off strong in the 1924s.

SPEAKER_01 11:45

No, that's not how you say it. Starting off strong in 1924. In the 1924s. Okay. Is there multiple 1924s?

SPEAKER_02 11:53

Then maybe. I don't know. This is all time is a flat circle. Yeah. So probably. You've never heard that? No. Google that. It'll blow your mind.

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I'm okay.

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I have enough to spiral about right now. Yeah. So there was an incident called the Ape Canyon Incident. So gold prospectors, um, they shot at what they thought was an animal, and then they claimed that they were subsequently retaliated against by a seven-foot-tall ape man who allegedly um threw boulders at their cabin and left giant footprints all around their cabin.

SPEAKER_01 12:30

Well, if he's really tall, he's gonna have big feet. Yeah. So you pissed off the the town giant. So and then you like had to make him feel bad by being like, Oh, he's like bigfoot.

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He was like really hairy and stinky. He's big, he's got a lot of surface to cover. So um, this was reported, and Forest Rangers eventually like looked into it and they debunked it and demonstrated how it could be faked. But some people still believe it happened. Okay. Um, cut to 1958, Ray Wallace finds large footprints at a California construction site um and reported those to in a in a reader letter to the Humboldt Times, and that eventually popularized the term Bigfoot. So that's where Bigfoot comes from, is this the 1924s. The 1958s, actually.

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1958s.

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Okay, now we're in 1967, and this is the iconic Patterson. Don't use six seven me right now. You're the worst. I saw that out of the corner of my eye while I'm reading this.

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I saw that. If you're watching us on the YouTubes, I 6'7.

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6'7. Okay, sorry. Um, the Patterson Gimlin film. So this is the really famous and you know, like highly debated movie clip or film clip of Bigfoot, supposedly Bigfoot, walking on a creek bed and like looking over his shoulder. Um, like I said, this has been highly, highly debated. Um, but the two men, um, Patterson and Gimlin both swore to their end of their days that it really happened, that it was real and whatever. So yeah. That was in 1967.

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Nobody's gonna tell them different.

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No, no. Okay, in 1970, um there was a a recording in the Sierra Nevada Mountains called the Sierra Sounds is what they call it. And it claims that it to be Bigfoot like howls or calls. Um some say it could potentially be like mating calls or defensive sounds to keep people away. Oh. Like, but like shrieking, yeah, shriek howling type uh sounds that they can't like because people were getting too close and they're like uh Bigfoot was like, oh man, gotta do this.

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I don't want to shower again. You guys are getting too close. I'm just gonna I'm gonna sing because he actually thinks it sounds nice. He's just gonna sing and it pushes people away.

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So a lot of people say that it sounded like a conversation, and you can go and look this sounds up. I'm not gonna pull it up right now. Um, but it sounded like a conversation between two in like a language that we don't understand. So um cut to 1991 through 1997. So this is multiple times throughout this time period. Um, researcher Paul Freeman um finds and casts 50 to 75 footprints, and he also took photographs of um a big foot, off duh, but it it distinctly showed what they're calling a mid-tarsal break. So um a lot of believers point to this being proof that it's not a human or other known animal, and then it's because when you look at the human foot, we have like the ankle bones and then like a more of like a like not so much of a break between our tar like between our your arch. Yeah, yeah. In this one, they claim that there's a more of a more sets of bones that allow it more flexibility for the foot to move.

SPEAKER_01 16:08

Oh, that's what okay, sorry. Mid tarsal break, yeah. I was thinking very much not that.

SPEAKER_02 16:13

Yeah, yeah. So they say you can see that in the footprint, and that no known animal like really has something similar. Uh-huh. Um, so that's what a believers a lot of believers point to, saying that this is not human. That's that's why it's different. So um okay, 1997, footage of a bipedal figure swinging from a tree was captured captured by musical festival goers. Uh um, and some think it was a mama and baby sasquatch. So like you can see, I watched the video, you can see like it kind of in the background, and obviously in 1997, like footage wasn't like spectacular. And they're not really focusing on that, they're focusing on whatever's happening in the foreground, but in the background you can see kind of like a something that like a shadow or something that kind of like looks like it's swinging from the tree. And then like in the corner, you can see a bigger thing. And so what they're thinking, like, oh at the park. Yeah. This the mama, the mama squatch was like, get up in that tree and swing because you're driving maker.

SPEAKER_01 17:14

Yeah, oh my gosh, do it. Let's get your you want to go up in the tree, go for it. I'll be right here.

SPEAKER_02 17:21

Yeah, so some of the um, so this was also on that show, um, and it was just showing like a clip of it, but there was a biologist on there talking that it could have been actually a mama bear and a cub because mother bears tend to have their their cubs like go up the tree. So they encourage them. And things like musical festivals typically draw in or not music festivals, but like places where there's humans kind of draw in animals because they want the leftover food or whatever. That's how so they want they want the party. They want to come for the party. They don't know why you're screaming. Weirdos. Yeah. So um, and there's back and forth, obviously. Like in that show, one person gives the point of like, well, it's a bear, but then the other person says, like, yeah, but that's not the same, like the figures that you can see, or like the structure of that shadow doesn't look like what a bear would look like.

SPEAKER_01 18:15

Like the limbs were too long, and yeah, like if when you think about like the profile of a bear, like the outline of a bear, it's like even on a tiny bit. Yeah, they can stand, but they still look like a bear. Yeah. They don't got bears don't got those like broad shoulders that really like sets Bigfoot apart.

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Are we in love with Bigfoot a little bit? No. Sure, Jen.

SPEAKER_01 18:36

I already stinks. No, but I'm just saying, like, you know, like a bear is like very like Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:45

Yeah, that was a good description. I wish you guys who are on the pod could have seen Christy slumped down. Like you know what I mean. It's like they're like a pair. They're not they're a little more squishy, they're not broad shoulder Superman.

SPEAKER_01 19:04

There's they they still gonna eat me. They're still like not if you can move faster than your friend. And you can run, girl. I can run, but I mean they're still like yeah, powerful beings, but they just don't have like clavicles. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:19

Well, uh somebody Google that and let us know. No, don't bother.

SPEAKER_01 19:24

That's not really important. I know this.

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Moving on to 2009, Virginia Appala Appalachian Mountains. I cannot say that.

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Appalachian.

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Appalachian. Isn't some doesn't some people say Appalachian?

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Appalachia.

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Appalachia. I don't know. Let us know. Cut it. I don't know. Um there is footage captured of a humanoid figure crossing the river. And in the footage, I saw it too. This guy is riding, he's he must have like his son or something behind the camera, and he's on a four-wheeler riding kind of like on this creek, like going up through like the it's not like a deep water. He's going up over the rocks and like kind of showing off. And then you see him stop and like look and point and then look back and like to get the person's attention like seeing what I'm seeing, and then yeah. And you can kind of see something like in the in the in the background. Um it's pretty fascinating. I don't know. I you can't really tell. Yeah, you can't really tell, but one of the points that the one of the people made in that show, like the clip of that show, said even if it is a person, they would have to be at least seven feet tall.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

But they've been ostracized from society because they're so tall and stinky. Maybe. Yeah, maybe it's true. Maybe they just want to live their lives, they just they just want to live their lives. They made some bad choices down here with everybody, and then they had to go into hiding. Maybe I wouldn't be surprised. They're also skilled, they have some uh a unique skill set that we don't know about.

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Yeah. Okay.

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There we are Liam Neeson.

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I was just gonna say, who is that actor?

SPEAKER_01 21:04

That's a great movie, by the way. When I think about like movies I just want to watch again and again, I don't know. Taken is good.

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Taken gives me the creepy creeps.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

Yeah, I felt kind of weird when I just said that. But it is still good.

SPEAKER_02 21:17

It's good, it's definitely good, but it it makes me I mean, makes me squirm a little. Okay. May 2012. Two campers with night vision thermal cameras capture a creature briefly walking between the trees.

SPEAKER_01 21:31

That's just someone going pee.

SPEAKER_02 21:33

They refer to this creature as the Florida skunk ape or Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_01 21:39

And honestly, skunk ape. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:44

And honestly, some naked, stinky Florida man wandering around the woods at night seems very on par. Yeah, it does.

SPEAKER_01 21:52

So I wouldn't hold that one in to no. That one's Dululu. That one's Delulu. Yeah. All the other ones have been Trululu, but this one's Delulu.

SPEAKER_02 22:01

Okay, cut to 2022, Sam Houston National Forest in Texas. A Bigfoot believer, Boyd Sims, records an eerie sound of howling, barking sounds that sound similar to the Sierra sounds we talked about before. And in the clip that they showed of this, the one of the guys says this sounds more like when you listen to this compared. The Sierra sounds they sound different, and this one sounds like it could be more coyotes or you know, wolves versus like the Sierra sounds, which is interesting because it almost validates the Sierra sounds a little bit. Like this is something we don't know what it is. This could be this, but they compared it to all different like animal sounds, and they said it could sound most like a coyote howling or whatever. Okay. So now that I've given you some things about Bigfoot, are we are we thinking Bigfoot is Dilulu or Trululu? I still think Trululu. I like to think that Bigfoot's real. Yeah, it's fun. It's a fun thing. I look I also just really love like seeing like the outlines of Bigfoot. Yeah. Or like it's a fun, it's a fun concept. Yeah, I like it. Yeah. Even if he is stinky, we still love you, Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_01 23:07

But I'd never heard that he was stinky, and I just, you know, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

SPEAKER_02 23:13

Yeah. I think Christy might have a thing for Bigfoot. Don't be shy. It's okay. Don't be shy. We listen, we don't yuck other people's yums. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 23:24

No, I just think he's just misunderstood. Misunderstood. He and she, because they're, you know, you said there was a mama with a baby.

SPEAKER_02 23:29

There's gotta be. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

Right? I mean, they're just it can't just be just trying to live their lives. And they really do a good job of staying hidden, and then just on occasion, you know, you're where you're not supposed to be.

SPEAKER_02 23:40

Yeah. And honestly.

SPEAKER_01 23:42

And they do their best to like get out of that situation.

SPEAKER_02 23:45

I just want to know how I can join them. Let me join you. I don't think they're gonna let you.

SPEAKER_01 23:50

You're kind of short. Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_02 23:52

I could be littlefoot. Oh, maybe. No, maybe. Yeah. I don't know. All right. Next up. Yeti.

SPEAKER_01 24:01

Oh, it okay. I love that.

SPEAKER_02 24:03

Yeti, the abominable snowman. Is that a close relative of the Bigfoot? I don't know. Let's find out. Okay. So picture this. You're just moseying your way up Mount Everest as one does, and you come across a footprint in the snow. Do you want to see it? Yeah, sure. Oof. So next to that footprint is an ice pick. Oh, no. To show you like how large it is. That big. Yeah. Okay. Crazy ham. So, um, where do stories of the Yeti originate? So this comes from Himalayan folklore, especially in Nepal and Tibet or Tibet. Um, early descriptions weren't always one creature. There were multiple types, some smaller, some massive, and some more spirit-like, is what it said. I don't really know what spirit-like means, but um, Western awareness around the Yeti blew up around the 1920s, as opposed to the 24s.

SPEAKER_01 25:00

The 20s, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:02

When explorers reported wild man sightings in the mountains. And the term abominable snowman actually came from a mistranslation or misinterpretation by Western journalists. So, you know, right off the bat, it's a little sus. So the cultures that first talked about them were the Sherpa and Tibetan traditions, and they described the Yeti as a mountain spirit or guardian, sometimes dangerous, sometimes sacred. Um, not always treated like an animal, but more like something between physical and spiritual. Okay. Um, it wasn't always like a cryptid to hunt, you know, it was more so like something to respect, same with Bigfoot. Um, but giving like winter Bigfoot. Yeah. Like, you know how it's cousin. Yeah, like polar bears and not polar bears. Polar bears and regular bears, mountain bears, bears, black bears, brown bears, battlestar galactica.

unknown 26:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 26:04

And koala bears. Koala bears. You know, do you know much about koala bears? No, I don't. So don't you're gonna hate when I say this. But we were just watching a s an episode of The Simpsons. Okay. Which is clearly like your Bible at this point. It literally is. Um and they there was like whatever, like the they I don't need to bore you with the episode, but anyways, there was a koala bear on there, and then my husband started dropping all these koala bear facts, which were really funny. Okay. Um, like they're apparently very dumb and they only eat aloe vera. Does that sound right?

SPEAKER_02 26:43

Is that why they don't have any of the qualifications to apply for jobs?

SPEAKER_01 26:48

Indeed. But they only but like, and they only sleep like or not only, they sleep like 20 hours a day. Let's hurry and look up some hot koala bear. Let's not. Okay, I won't. I won't do that. Let's not do that. Cut this whole part. No, I'm never cutting this part. But it was interesting because I was like, oh, I didn't know that koala bears were dumb.

SPEAKER_02 27:12

I thought it was sloths that sleep a lot. Or they both come in, come in.

SPEAKER_01 27:16

I asked him to bring me a seltzer.

SPEAKER_02 27:18

Hello. Thank you for delivering a beverage, my dear friend. Hello to Kenny's hands.

SPEAKER_01 27:24

Didn't you say qualabars are really dumb?

SPEAKER_00 27:28

Really dumb? They're actually not bears either.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

They're not bears?

SPEAKER_00 27:32

No, they're not bears.

SPEAKER_02 27:39

You goddamn bitch. They're really not bears? What do you mean to tell me that they're not bears? We just had a whole thing about bears. We're talking about bears. Did you think they were bears? I thought they were I thought it was a koala bear.

unknown 27:56

No.

SPEAKER_02 27:58

Will you man explain to me bears?

unknown 28:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:00

We have to keep this in, too, by the way, because there's no way that we can come out of this without yeah. So no, no, we can't. You're wearing on camera, so you're wanting me to explain. Listen, koala bears are not bears, according to Mr. Kenny. I guess they're not bears. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:19

Then why do we say koala bear?

unknown 28:21

Because you're wrong.

SPEAKER_02 28:22

Because you're wrong. He is me. Okay, you may be excused. Thanks for the beverage service.

SPEAKER_01 28:35

It's called a koala bear.

SPEAKER_02 28:36

It's called a koala bear.

SPEAKER_01 28:40

But it might not be.

SPEAKER_02 28:41

Oh my god, Christy. Can we put this up on it? Is that why flat earthers think Australia isn't real? I don't know. Probably. I mean it's its own maybe. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 28:58

Well, I have other talents. Oh, why do Americans say koala bear? When Europeans first came to Australia, they thought the koalas looked like bears, so they were often called koala bears. Koalas are not bears. They are marsupials, and their correct name is koalas.

SPEAKER_02 29:15

Well, listen. Well, she Americans are dumb, including us. Alright. That was fun. Bye. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 29:26

We should put a post up that says something about koala bears and see if anybody says anything like they're not bears.

SPEAKER_02 29:33

No, they're not bear. No, I don't want to be mansplained about bears. Let's get it, let's get back to Yetis. How about it? Let's talk about the very real Yeti.

SPEAKER_01 29:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 29:42

Who is maybe a bear. Man bear. It's not a bear. No, I don't know. It's Big Bear.

SPEAKER_01 29:47

I think it's winter Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_02 29:49

Winter Bigfoot. Chili Bigfoot. Chilifoot.

SPEAKER_01 29:53

No.

SPEAKER_02 29:54

Chillfoot? No. No foot?

SPEAKER_01 29:57

Mm-mm.

SPEAKER_02 29:57

No. Just just Yeti.

SPEAKER_01 29:59

Yeti.

SPEAKER_02 30:00

See, I don't understand the jump between Yeti, abominable snowman, and why is it abominable? I I don't know. Because that's what they translated it as.

SPEAKER_01 30:10

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 30:11

It says the term abominable snowman actually came from a mistranslation slash misinterpretation by Western journalists. So right off the bat, a little sus. Yeah. Um, okay, so cultures that talked about them first. Um Sherpa and Tibetan traditions describe the Yeti as no, you put your goddamn phone away. I just wanted to tell you something. Okay, tell me.

SPEAKER_01 30:36

Abominable means describe something extremely unpleasant, detestable, or loathsome.

SPEAKER_02 30:41

Yeah. So stinky. Stinky mountain.

SPEAKER_01 30:43

Implying a high degree of moral disgust or inferiority. That's so rude. It is rude.

SPEAKER_02 30:49

That was so rude. I hope you get attacked by a Yeti. You know I won't.

SPEAKER_01 30:53

Because I like them.

SPEAKER_02 30:54

I won't. Um, because I'm not being gonna be climbing mountains. Also in the snow. Okay, sorry, go ahead. They were not always treated like an animal, but more like something between physical and spiritual and um something to respect, not necessarily like something dangerous. Okay. Um so reported sightings in 1921. British Everest Expedition reports large footprints in the snow, and the Sherpa name for man-bear is mistranslated, as we said, into abominable snowman. In 1951, Eric Shifton photographs footprints, which are still debated, and shows a 13-inch footprint with an ice axe for skill. And that's the one I just showed. Yes. Yeah. Um then in 1953, Sir Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay report seeing large footprints while making the first successful ascent of Everest. Which, if you're one of the first people to climb Mount Everest, why would you make up Yeti footprints? Like that's already incredible in itself.

SPEAKER_01 31:59

Yeah, you're like, nobody's even gonna care that I did this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:03

So I guess I'm gonna have to tell them about something Yeti. Yeah. I don't know, maybe. Um, 1950s through 1960s. This was peak Yeti hunting era. And that was likely f fueled by like the things that were happening in the United States or like the the norther or the western part of the world, um, with Bigfoot and the Bigfoot boom, um, and the growing obsession with unexplained wilderness events, including cases like the Datlov Pass incident, which is is really cool if you haven't heard about this. It's fascinating. I have not. It's a real life. Tell me, girl. I'm gonna do a whole episode on it eventually, but um, it's a real life mystery where unexplained deaths led some people to blame the Yeti, but the truth is far is more likely to be human and way more unsettling. So we'll save that for another episode. But just know humans are often far scarier than anything minding its own damn business in the mountains.

SPEAKER_01 33:00

Manor bear, what do you choose?

SPEAKER_02 33:02

I choose the bear every time. Um, 1986, uh famed mountaineer Rainhold Messner claims to have seen the Yeti twice and concludes it's actually the Himalayas Himalayan brown bear walking upright.

SPEAKER_01 33:17

See, I still just don't I don't see unless they're just misrepresenting those shoulders.

SPEAKER_02 33:23

Maybe. Maybe. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 33:25

That's that's all like point me to the facts.

SPEAKER_02 33:29

Well, I will. In 2000s to the present, DNA testing of supposed Yeti hare has often been identified as bear species. Himalayan brown bear or the Tibetan blue bear.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

I also really like fax. So I guess it is a bear.

SPEAKER_02 33:43

I don't know. We'll see. So let's break down the evidence a little bit. Believers say that footprints at extreme altitudes where animals are rare suggests that this isn't just a known animal species or human hoax. Um, like the consistent descriptions across isolated cultures, again, just like but Bigfoot reinforce these ideas that there's something else. It's not not just a bear. Like it's it's something different, especially considering the remote, harsh terrain, which makes it easy for these Yeti to remain undiscovered, which again, similar to Bigfoot, like we don't know. The skeptics, on the other hand, say that bear tracks could have just been distorted by melting snow, and people immediately think mystic yeti prints instead of like the real thing.

SPEAKER_01 34:28

Yeah, it's like the the concept of like you hear trotting sound and it's like that's a zebra, and it's like, man, that's a horse. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:36

Joke's on you, it's a goat.

SPEAKER_01 34:38

Joke's on you.

SPEAKER_02 34:40

It's neither. Not everything has to be magical. You're just banging two coconuts together.

SPEAKER_01 34:47

Goodness.

SPEAKER_02 34:48

No, yeah, no. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, that's a good one. Um okay, yeah, and then high altitude hallucinations and exhaustion. So skeptics also point to this. That's probably likely.

SPEAKER_01 35:00

That's probably actually what it is.

SPEAKER_02 35:01

Yeah, we all know that um you lose oxygen the higher up you go, and people often get pretty Dululu when that happens. In addition, hypothermia, which is really fascinating. I don't know if you've ever like heard much about hypothermia. Some of the stages include feeling hot, and so you take all of your clothes off, which is crazy, and that you know, hypothermia can make you very loopy. So we're at the end of the Yeti section. What are we thinking? Dululu or Trululu?

SPEAKER_01 35:29

I feel like I'm gonna go Dululu on that one. Okay, but I like it. Like I like the the story.

SPEAKER_02 35:35

Yeah. That it's Mount or it's Himalayan Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_01 35:38

And Utah absolutely should have named their hockey team the Yetis, but I actually looked into why they couldn't. Yeah, whatever. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 35:46

Why they couldn't? Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. Oh, okay. So um they were in a legal battle with the Yeti cooler company. And see that they didn't, they couldn't.

SPEAKER_01 35:56

That that doesn't even make sense to me because there's so many. I don't know. Why would the Yeti cooler people even care?

SPEAKER_02 36:04

Because of like um brand like clothing and stuff that could be misinterpreted as being.

unknown 36:13

Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 36:14

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. They did well, it's profit. Are you wearing that t-shirt because you like hockey or you're really into coolers? I can't tell.

SPEAKER_02 36:23

I think that's the thing, is they didn't want to be like out, like branded, I guess. You know what I mean? No, like they they wanted to they wanted their brand to be like recognizable and not be like, oh Yeti cooler. Like, is that like a spinoff of the Utah T?

SPEAKER_01 36:38

I feel like there's more to it than that. I've heard that argument, but I feel like there's more to it than that because there's just so many and I can't think of a single example right now. But there's so many things where I'm like, why is that okay? Like, why is that okay for that person to name their company blah blah blah, you know, and like yeah, and they don't even care.

SPEAKER_02 36:56

Like, for example, koala bears.

SPEAKER_01 37:00

Why are we calling them koala bears? I don't know why we're calling them koala bears because they ain't bears. What are they then? Oh, Marcy Fields. Um, I wish I could come up with a single example right now. No, that's okay. But it's just like, why is that okay for that that little company to use this very like mainstream name brand name? But oh gosh, like we have these two very opposite situation companies, whatever, and like that's a bridge too far. But also they could have really like capitalized on it. Well, and does like is Yeti cooler, whatever cups is their branding at all a Yeti? I just feel like it's like mountains and yeah, I don't know. The word Yeti. Maybe stupid. Anyways. What is this? Is this a Yeti? Probably.

SPEAKER_02 37:49

No, it's a Hydro Flask. Oh, it is a hydro flask. Got 99 cups. No, yeti ain't one. Hey, look at me. Yeah. Stop. We're going to the waters now. Oh, ew.

SPEAKER_01 38:02

Waters are creepy.

SPEAKER_02 38:03

Water is creepy. Yeah. Um, let's talk about the Loch Ness monster or Nessie if you fancy.

SPEAKER_01 38:11

Nessie if you're nasty.

SPEAKER_02 38:13

If you're nasty. If you're nasty.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

It's Jackson if you're nasty.

SPEAKER_02 38:18

So um the Lochness monster is obviously a monster in the Loch Ness water body of water in um Scotland. Okay. Um, the origins of the stories of the Lochness monster, um, scholars have found dozens of references to Nessie in history dating back to around 500 AD when local pictographs carved a strange aquatic creature into standing stones near the Loch Ness. Um, and then seventh seventh century Irish monk Saint Columba reportedly encountered a water beast in the river Ness. And stories have existed for centuries, but mostly were folklore um rather than, you know, like any documented realistic things. So here's when things got interesting. Nessie didn't actually go mainstream until the 1930s. Um cultures that talked about it first were the Scottish Highlands folklore, which included water spirits and creatures, um, and the something called the Kelpie, which is a shape-shifting water spirit. But Nessie may have been a modern evolution of older mythological water beings. Um, and some people even talked about it potentially being like a prehistoric dinosaur, you know, like in the water. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:38

It didn't it was preserved under the water.

SPEAKER_02 39:43

Yeah. The the water.

SPEAKER_01 39:45

That was a burp.

SPEAKER_02 39:47

The bl water.

SPEAKER_01 39:50

Sophie was a dinosaur preserved under the water. Correct. So the big the big bang didn't really impact her.

SPEAKER_02 39:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:58

Him.

SPEAKER_02 39:59

It. It. Them. Them. Reported sightings um in 1933. So, like I said before, this is where it gets interesting. Um, modern sightings start to explode because a road is built. Oh my god, I do that all the time. Moving the MRI machine. Moving the MRI machine. So um modern sightings happened because a road was built alongside the river, and so like sightings increased. Yeah, because there's yeah, more traffic. More traffic, yeah. Um, the famous photo, which everyone can imagine in their brain right now. Have you seen this famous photo? If not, I can show you. Is it this? It's the little on this side. Oh, okay. So that photo um was published in a newspaper, and um it made everybody go crazy, like crazy obsessed with this idea of this monster being in the Loch Ness. Unfortunately, years later, it was it came out that it was a hoax. Oh shoot. Yeah. I hate when that happens. I know. Um cut to 1960, several British universities launched sonar. Sonar. Sonar. Sonar. Sonar expeditions to the lake. Nothing conclusive was found, but in each expedition, the sonar operators detected some type of large moving underwater objects. Okay. And then 1970s to 2000s, sonar scans and underwater photography attempts um show what some people think is a possible flipper of like an aquatic, yeah, an aquatic animal. Unfortunately, in 2018, environmental DNA studies find no evidence of large unknown reptiles, but mostly just a lot of eel DNA. So maybe it's a giant ass eel, which is probably just as creepy, honestly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:59

Because are eels even real?

SPEAKER_02 42:02

Oh my gosh, where do eels come from? I forgot about that. I need you to do an episode on eels. We'll see. Because are eels real?

SPEAKER_01 42:12

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 42:13

Like the things you hear of, I don't don't send me on a tangent. Are eels real? No. I don't know. Is time real? No. Okay, so evidence breakdown. So believers of the Loch Ness say Um that deep, murky water is a perfect hiding space for a creature like this. And dead bodies. And dead bodies and cars. Oh my gosh. Speaking of, have you seen this is a tangent. There is a group of people and they do adventures with purpose, I think is what their like Instagram name is or whatever. Okay. They are skilled divers, um, and they go into bodies of water and find old cars and stuff. Oh, that's fun. And solve un like misering missing person things. And the it it always comes up as an ad because that what they're selling as part of it is it's one of those things that breaks your window in water. Like a safety thing, and also like cuts your seatbelt. Yeah. But yeah, they have they have a YouTube where they just talk about finding people's missing loved ones that have been missing for yeah, that years.

SPEAKER_01 43:16

Just drive off the road and nobody knows.

SPEAKER_02 43:18

Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Anyways, okay. Um, hundreds of eyewitnesses accounts um surged after the building of the road along the river. And like we said before, that's probably because more people are in that area. Um, so believers point to that as being like, yeah, there's more people here, so more opportunity for you to see the monster, you know. They also suggest that um sonar, am I saying that right? Sonar. Sonar. Sonar. Yeah. Why does it feel so weird? Sonar anomalies suggest large moving objects under the water surface. So something's moving down around down there. It's the perfect place to hide. It's really the perfect place to hide. Um if you can breathe underwater. Yeah. With that caveat. And again, some people think it could be a prehistoric animal that we just don't know has been dormant in this area. Yeah. So skeptics say the most famous photo was confirmed to be a hoax, and it was just men being men in a submarine doing stuff.

SPEAKER_03 44:21

Think so.

SPEAKER_02 44:21

Doing doing stuff. Well, maybe. I don't know. Um, get a hobby. Yeah. Sightings surged after media attention, which is obviously really suspicious. Like it people didn't start seeing it until it became a thing. But then at the same time, maybe more people went out there.

SPEAKER_01 44:39

And so there was more opportunity. More people, and then they were like, hey, you know what? That thing I thought I saw and didn't dare say anything about until now. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 44:47

I don't know. Um skeptics also say that honestly, it's likely just either giant eels, squids, floating debris, or like logs under the surface, or like water distortion. So, like, you know how when you see somebody in the pool and half of their body is like larger under the surface? Something to that effect. Yeah. So maybe it was that. So Delulu or Trululu.

SPEAKER_01 45:18

I again like the concept, but I think it's Delulu. I think it's Delulu also. But I don't know. So I do think there are like a lot of things down in the water oceans that are not yet discovered.

SPEAKER_02 45:32

Oh yeah. Yeah, that's none of my business. Yeah. So whether it's something massive screeching and moving through the forests of the Pacific Northwest, footprints in the Himalayas, or ripples across a dark Scottish lake, these stories have been following us for a long time. And every time we think we've explored every part of the earth, something reminds us that we haven't. The real question is: are these creatures really out there? Or are there just stories we tell each other when we're faced with how big and wild and unknown the world really is? Yes, that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:07

Except for Bigfoot. That one's real.

SPEAKER_02 46:09

Either way, I like to think I'm not going camping without a more adult year adult. I'll tell you that for free. Someone else needs to be the adult. Yeah. I need my I need my parents. All right, you ready to play a game? Sure. We're gonna do Dululu or Trululu Rapid Fire Edition. Go. You ready? Yeah. When explorers first saw giraffes, they officially named them long-necked camels because they thought they were a hybrid of a camel and a leopard.

SPEAKER_03 46:38

Trululu.

SPEAKER_02 46:39

Oh man. Reputation Taylor's version has been announced in a release date scheduled.

SPEAKER_01 46:47

Oh, I don't know. Delulu?

SPEAKER_02 46:49

Delulu. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 46:50

I think you would have told me.

SPEAKER_02 46:52

Swifties have been clowning since well before the Eras tour kicked off. But Reputation Taylor's version's coming out.

SPEAKER_01 46:59

What what are some hot, hot tracks on Reputation? All of them. I love Reputation. So but just give me like a couple.

SPEAKER_02 47:07

Um look. Oh.

SPEAKER_01 47:11

Um, because that is okay. Yeah, sorry.

SPEAKER_02 47:14

Taylor's version would just be her re-recordings. I don't know if you remember.

SPEAKER_01 47:17

The yeah, the drum with that. Yeah. She didn't get a say, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:20

Yeah. So get a girl.

SPEAKER_01 47:22

Um is she really gonna do it though?

SPEAKER_02 47:24

I hope so. She you know how she is with her Easter egg. She's constantly hinting to something. When's she getting married? Nobody knows. Okay. Nobody knows. That's fine. She might. I mean, I hope that she already did and had had like a beautiful wedding and it was very intimate and perfect. Oh, okay. Because I think it's frankly none of our business as much as I really, really want to know and see pictures of. Like, maybe you'll see it. Maybe one day. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 47:51

If she wants you to.

SPEAKER_02 47:53

Um what?

SPEAKER_03 47:54

Nothing. I was gonna say if she wanted to, she would.

SPEAKER_02 48:00

Get out of here. All right. Many early sailors believed in a massive multi-tentacled sea monster called the Kraken that could pull entire ships underwater. Trululu. Trululu.

SPEAKER_01 48:12

And I know that from the factual movies of Pirates of the Caribbean.

SPEAKER_02 48:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:16

Those documentaries.

SPEAKER_02 48:18

What they probably were seeing were giant squid, which is a real thing, and reinforces the idea that the ocean is none of my business.

SPEAKER_01 48:26

Scary down there.

SPEAKER_02 48:27

Beautiful from afar. I'm gonna let whatever's going on under there be its own self and honestly. None of my business. Yep. Okay, some animals can mimic sounds, even human-like noises. Uh Trululu. Trulu. While parrots are the most famous, other species like crows, orcas, beluga whales, dolphins, elephants, and even some ducks have been documented repeating phrases, imitating voices, or copying artificial noises like camera shutters and car alarms.

SPEAKER_03 49:00

That's funny.

SPEAKER_02 49:00

Isn't that fascinating? You think your car alarm's going off and it's just like a duck in your backyard. Damn it, Stanley. Stanley.

SPEAKER_03 49:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:09

A duck.

SPEAKER_02 49:11

The one that's in your office.

SPEAKER_01 49:13

No, there's no duck in my office.

SPEAKER_02 49:15

There's a duck in your office. Sure. Sure, Jan. Okay. Old maps often featured the phrase here be dragons to mark dangerous, unexplored territories. Delulu? Delulu. Yes. While monsters were commonly drawn on maps, the specific phrase here be dragons, which is Hicksut Dragonase, is only found on one known historical object, the Hunt Lennox Globe from around 1508.

SPEAKER_01 49:43

Cool girl.

SPEAKER_02 49:45

It's pretty interesting, huh? We have four more. Get out of here. Koalas are bears. Koala bears. Dululu. Okay. People in groups tend to remember events more accurately than individuals.

SPEAKER_01 50:03

Sorry. Okay, so sorry, say that again.

SPEAKER_02 50:05

People in groups tend to people in groups tend to remember events more accurately than individuals. Like individual accounts.

SPEAKER_01 50:13

I think that's Dululu, because I think it's, you know, the group mentality, like one person is like feeding off of others' energy, and all of a sudden it was zebras, not horses.

SPEAKER_02 50:23

Yeah. The opposite is closer to true. Group groupthink is actually a very common problem. Yeah. We all feed off of our own fear and anxiety. Records from early voyages to Africa and Asia describe the Sinocephalie, a race of people who had the bodies of humans, but the heads of dogs. Trululu. Even Marco Polo wrote about dog-headed people living on the Anadam Anna Man Islands.

SPEAKER_01 50:55

You really set yourself up with all these names.

SPEAKER_02 50:56

I know. I really did. I think it's fascinating.

SPEAKER_01 51:00

Marco Polo's just being rude.

SPEAKER_02 51:01

Maybe. Just because they're ugly doesn't mean just because they smell bad doesn't mean you have to call them Bigfoot. Okay, two more. Vikings were horned helmet wore horned helmets to intimidate the sea monsters they encountered on their voyages to North America. Trolulu? Okay. There is no historical evidence that Vikings wore horned helmets. This was the invention of a 19th-century opera costume designers.

SPEAKER_01 51:29

Oh, really? Okay.

SPEAKER_02 51:31

And then the last one early explorers in the Patagonia region of South America reported finding a race of giants that were twice the height of a normal human. Trululu. Trululu. Magellan's crew claimed they saw giants so tall that the Europeans only reached up to their waists. Oh. Fascinating. Yeah, I like that. Okay, that's our show. Thank you guys for listening. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 51:54

Um tell us what you think about Bigfoot. Yeah, let us know. Is he just is he is he fake or is he just a you know misrepresented tall man?

unknown 52:04

Maybe.

SPEAKER_02 52:06

Um, also let us know about koala bears. I really want to know what everybody thinks about koala bears.

SPEAKER_01 52:11

Do you guys call them koala bears? I swear on everything.

SPEAKER_02 52:14

It's a koala, apparently. Learn something new every day. Never if we're gonna be a good one.

SPEAKER_01 52:18

And I'm willing to and I'm willing to learn.

SPEAKER_02 52:20

Yeah, sure. Yeah, you are. So follow us anywhere. You get your podcasts, and please follow us on social media. Um, one thing we discovered is that we can't go live until we have a certain amount of followers. And Ashley really wants to, and I'm over here like I think it would be so fun. We can answer like questions about the pod. And yeah, what are you guys dying to know? Yeah. I mean, we can show pod setup as we set up this pod lab. Podlab. I think it'd be cool. Um mansplainers coming. We do have some mansplainers coming, which we could probably also live stream. I'm sure we'd get a lot of activity with that. That'd be pretty fun.

SPEAKER_01 52:55

Yeah, it's coming summer.

SPEAKER_02 52:57

Yeah, summer 2026. We're gonna do some mansplainer episodes where we invite a special guest or two on to mansplain us something because we're just a baby. We're just a baby. We're literally just girls and we don't know anything.

SPEAKER_01 53:09

Oh, I hate that. Don't say that ever again.

SPEAKER_02 53:13

Well, you know.

SPEAKER_01 53:14

According to them, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:16

Not our mansplainers, our mansplainers are awesome. Our mansplainers are very awesome. Um they're gonna cool. They're gonna tell us some cool stuff. Don't you not all men me right now, okay? I'm in my feminine rage, just leave me be.

SPEAKER_01 53:28

Fueled by feminine rage.

SPEAKER_02 53:31

All right, remember to stay human, stay curious, and don't let the robots win.

SPEAKER_04 53:35

Bye. Bye.